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How dare people want to buy an affordable townhome instead of living with extended families. No wonder so many of my friends have left Brampton & I'll be joining them soon.

Look forward to the heated debate on this topic stilldeciding.
should be a good one,

Let's just add this to the debate on the monster home controversy too why don't we.

I believe Canadians who came to this country from all over the world are waking up. There was some complacency and a sense of comfort that left us a little lazy, but pride for the way of life we have here and an open invitation for others to enjoy this way of life right along with us is being reignited. The mostly silent majority is coming alive and saying you are welcome to partake of the benefits in this country, however you are expected to acclimatize yourselves to North American laws and rules like everyone other person who arrived in this country. Not the other way around. There are those who want to preserve their own ways while living in this country. I say great, just remember there are some laws that are for the common good of all Canadian citizens and not open to debate. Also remember the money spent on those common laws comes from all of us, therefore expect us to have our say as it is our RIGHT.

Really quite a silly situation.

Well right now all we have in this community are big houses, so that is all that should be allowed to be built! Small houses aren't suitable for big Punjabi families!

It basically seems to me from the article that these people are trying to ensure their neighborhood is just Punjabi people, and that if any of their children might dare consider getting a house of their own, that they can't in the same area. I really hope these townhouses are allowed to be built, not because I have anything against Punjabis or their culture, but because diversity is important and what so many of us value in Canadian society. I find it extremely arrogant that the primary complaint against these townhouses is that they aren't what the Punjabi community is looking for. Well imagine that, maybe these houses aren't being built for a specific ethnic group, but whoever would like to buy them.

Right on my man

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A house is usually for a single family.

No wonder why schools are filled up when built cause census is accounting for less people avg per home there. It makes me laugh seeing new schools opening up in Milton and less than a year there's already 4+ portables cause the school is over capacity due to thinking only X amount of people will live in a semi/detached home when 2-3 families are living there, not one. Less property taxes for them. Smart.

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It really isn't about saving money - It's tradition to live with your parents, to take care of them in their old age, etc. Not to say that we do it, maybe later on in life when my parents need constant care, but they are quite a ways away from that. Heck, my mom, who is quite modern and not old school at all, wanted me and my wife to live with them. We told her we'd do it for a year to let my wife and mom get a stronger relationship. Exactly 1 year later, we moved into our semi in Mississauga. My Dad was all for me starting my own "nest" and told my Mom to get over it.

In Indian culture, you don't put your parents in old folks homes. That being said, it does happen more now then before, but it's still "taboo".

Do I agree with it? Not really. Do I see why people who haven't left the home country not that long ago still go be the old traditions? Yes.

New immigrants pick Brampton because of the strong Indian culture there. Believe it or not, I'm Indian and I'd NEVER live in Brampton. Then again, I'm born in Canada...

I think supporting aging parents is far from an issue.

Having lived in Brampton my entire life, the last few years this represents several of the houses on my old street:

- 2200-2600 sq/ft
- One basement apartment (sometimes two units) with poorly constructed hack job side entrance rented out
- Driveway expanded to hold minimum 3 cars (sometimes 4-5)
- Home owner living upstairs (traditional family - mother/father/son & daughter)
- Mothers parents
- fathers parents
- Mothers grandparents (if they are sill around)
- Fathers grandparents (if they are still around)
- Son, his wife and their new baby
- Daughter, her husband and their new baby
- Fathers brother, brothers wife, their new baby

The above is far more common than not.

I do get "supporting" your children a bit (I think we all lived at home at some point as adults) and parents but it just seems they really pack them into these homes.

Maybe the solution is that the city needs to let builders at least build homes designed for this number of people. Most traditional Canadian homes are made for the traditional nuclear family of mom/day/two-three kids. Not 12 to 15 people plus a rental unit in the basement with another 2-3. The water tank, the plumbing, sewer, driveway, the electrical, everything is spec'd for the 4-5 member household.

Unfortunately the cities tax system is also based on a 4-5 member household. I think it might be time to consider surcharges for rental units and for large households. It's not fair when the traditional 4 member house has to foot the bill for a 18 member house.

I know in Markham, they build new homes with back parking so that people can have 2-3 cars out front and another 2 around back.

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I think it does have to do with the money as well as the caregiving aspect. Mom & Dad is one thing but then you have three brothers, their wives and their kids all in the same house, it's not about caring for the parents.

That being said, if you need a particular size and type of house to meet your needs, no worries.....go out a get the house that fits them. What is troublesome is the desire to keep others out of the community. The builder should be able to build the town homes. To say Punjabi people only want extra large houses to fit extended families is discrimination and shouldn't be allowed. This is Canada. Nobody is saying you can't have relatives live with you but you shouldn't be saying only your community should live around you. The town homes may not meet Punjabi needs but this isn't Punjab is it?

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Love how you can look forward to a discussion about certain cultures being discriminatory. Catholics being discriminatory however.....well we know how that goes.

Discrimination is wrong no matter who perpetrates it.

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My only concern is that we have lots of anti-Catholic threads but any posts about certain religions like Islam get shut down. Either we should allow discussion/criticism on all religions or none at all perhaps.

My vote is to allow it all. Discourse is the only way dispel myths and untruths. Obviously outright hatred and insults should be deleted from the thread, but asking questions or exploring misconceptions should be allowed. In the thread about the new pope, Ms President wrote about the religion being against homosexuality and a question was asked about why do the priests succumb to it. She gave a brilliant answer that spoke to her beliefs without trying to defend or cover up the Church's role in this. That's the kind of discussion we need. If she could have expressed her belief that the separate board receiving public funds was justified when other religions were denied the same funding in a similar manner, I believe that discussion would have gone differently.

Censorship is the only defense of the indefensible.

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I read this article after I followed link at another thread here for article about "Liberal" Ontario Minister of Labor who supported book with instructions how to beat your wife.
This article about developing in Brampton has very interesting comments. Many of them are about specific of current immigration in general. But some were about this developing.
One person who was at community meeting mentioned it was nothing sad about cultural needs of single ethnic group, but they just concerned to get prices of their property going to be less, because of new cheaper town-homes to be build. And they were also not happy about traffic congestion as result of higher density.
Both concerns are making sense for me. One of the guys in article has mentioned he has seven people at home. So do I.
Four kids, mom-in-law, wife and I.
It is hard for me to say who is right and who is wrong.
We are living in double standards. At on side we have green style of living. Left-wing politicians all all over it. And three family generations in one house is norm for it as form of environmental saving.
At another side we have people in mansions with one, two kids. And somehow it is all right.

Any way. Next time you'll hear those lefties talking how big Canada is, and how we could easily accommodate half-a-million per year of newcomers stick this article to their pink ... forehead.

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