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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:05 pm 
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Out of curiousity, where was the volume of traffic indicated, and how was this number of 1500 - 1800 trucks/day derived?

Given that Milton is or at least was the fastest growing community in Canada for a number of years, wasn't expansion expected?

Also, does anybody have any information on the intermodal facility in East Milton, by Trafalgar, north of Derry, and how it affects the Mississauga residents who border it?

Just an idea that maybe an Action Item to be added to the list would be to check with the 407 to see if an on/off ramp will be built where it crosses Tremaine, as I'm sure that would be much more efficient for all the truckers as that would be closest highway to the proposed CN Intermodal, as I'm sure they probably don't want to have to drive through the entire town of Milton, on residential streets, just to get to the 401, or through Oakville to get to the QEW.

Also, couldnt' the town just put load and time restrictions to truck traffic on certain streets in an attempt to control traffic, kinda like what larger cities do?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:09 pm 
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martin prince wrote:
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That is the point. Intermodal looks after containers, not tank cars loaded with liquid type cargos, unless of course this is also going to be a marshalling yard where trains are assembled for different destinations. The environmental group don't want to move oil in pipelines as it is proposed to do with a gas line coming from the west, so where does that leave the transport of oil except through tank cars.


I'm on board with everyone who's against this - but CN is not some ma and pa freight mover. They'd know what they are shipping and how to safely handle it.

I think it would be a stretch to assume that CN does not employ DG specialists who would be required to pass yearly training to remain certified.


I hope this helps... http://business.financialpost.com/2015/ ... aitt-says/

It doesn't have to ma n pa....


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:14 pm 
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Tika wrote:
Just wondering if anyone that has recently purchased one of the homes in Hawthorne Village South considered getting out of the purchase? All sales are supposed to be firm, nowever given that this facility can potentially pose an environmental hazard to the community, and was not disclosed to the buyer at the time of purchase, whether the buyer can back out of the purchase...thoughts?


As I recall CN was already picking up options on land
back around 1995 to 2000.

I think the theory back then was they planned to move their Burlington Yard to some place north of Lowe Base.

It was the talked about thing before Mattamyville came along.


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I do apologize for the ladies and gentleman I somehow offended but I believe my 2 cents end here... peace!


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:31 pm 
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Tika wrote:
Just wondering if anyone that has recently purchased one of the homes in Hawthorne Village South considered getting out of the purchase? All sales are supposed to be firm, nowever given that this facility can potentially pose an environmental hazard to the community, and was not disclosed to the buyer at the time of purchase, whether the buyer can back out of the purchase...thoughts?


Maybe the town should call a halt to all development in the area until this thing is sorted out one way or the other (could be a while, years even)


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lets put a 18-wheeler only toll on the roads in Milton :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 11:52 am 
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Slip Digby wrote:
Tika wrote:
Just wondering if anyone that has recently purchased one of the homes in Hawthorne Village South considered getting out of the purchase? All sales are supposed to be firm, nowever given that this facility can potentially pose an environmental hazard to the community, and was not disclosed to the buyer at the time of purchase, whether the buyer can back out of the purchase...thoughts?


Maybe the town should call a halt to all development in the area until this thing is sorted out one way or the other (could be a while, years even)


Milton Dutch Day wrote:

As I recall CN was already picking up options on land
back around 1995 to 2000.

I think the theory back then was they planned to move their Burlington Yard to some place north of Lowe Base.

It was the talked about thing before Mattamyville came along.


Pretty Sure 20 years was the "halt"

I think they plan on going with it now. I am sure it will not be as bad as what some people are expecting.
In all fairness we have to think that Milton is a changing Town 15 - 20 years ago no one wanted Mattamy here, 8 years ago no one wanted Walmart, 5 years age no on wanted home depot... Milton is a growing town, there will be changes, some that will be embraced and some that will not be. Everyone has to remember that you do have a say in what is going on in your Town, but to get your say you have to understand the Towns big Master plan. To understand this you have to attend to Town meetings. If you take the time and go to the town meetings, I am sure you would be surprised to learn what is actually being planned in the near and far future. If you really are concerned about this, a start would be to attend the Towns Public meetings. If you call the town you can get on the Towns email notifications list. You will receive all public meeting notifications, and regular updates to what is happening in your Town.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:24 pm 
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"The 195-ACRE CN Brampton Intermodal Terminal is Canada’s LARGEST intermodal facility. The surrounding freight cluster includes 18 facilities that move over 100 trucks per weekday. Cumulatively, the area generates 4,000 trucks per weekday, the largest generator of which is the intermodal terminal itself (Transport Canada, 2010). The terminal receives and ships containers from all of continental North America, with international traffic accounting for 69% of inbound and 43% of outbound container traffic, though many distribution centres in the terminal’s periphery more than double this volume (Transport Canada, 2010)."

The Milton site will begin with 400 ACRES, and they own 1000 ACRES. Other industries benefit from locating close to intermodal hubs. Guess this is our next industrial section? Have a look at Brampton CN on Google maps, view what the counsellors are saying about the truck traffic nightmare there. In recent years, CN sold off their Toronto and then Oakville hubs. This is going to be the MAJOR hub.

WHAT ELSE? TWO DAYS AFTER ANNOUNCING THEIR PLANS:

CN donates $500,000 to support research and education programs at Wilfrid Laurier University’s Centre for Supply Chain Management

TORONTO — CN announced yesterday a $500,000 donation to support research and education programs at the Centre for Supply Chain Management (SCM) in the School of Business and Economics at Wilfrid Laurier University in Ontario.

Claude Mongeau, president and chief executive officer of CN, said: “Laurier’s SCM plays an important role in training and preparing students for careers in supply chain management, a growing occupational field. CN’s donation will support internships and a cooperative education program, providing experience and summer employment to students studying supply management. CN managers will also work with instructors and researchers to provide an industry perspective, and the company will help organize annual conferences attended by international experts.”

Max Blouw, president and vice-chancellor at Laurier, said: “The campaign to Build Canada’s Best Business School is about enhancing Laurier’s successful approach to business education. This donation from CN recognizes the strength of our supply chain management activities. We are very grateful for their support. Partnering with CN, an organization that plays such a significant role in business in Canada and internationally, will significantly enhance our SCM offerings.”

THIS DIDNT HAPPEN IN 2 DAYS, FOLKS.
Residents have every right to be angry and want answers, and a Hell of a lot of input in how this moves forward. Especially those of you who unknowingly purchased nearest the facility.


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prickly_pete wrote:
That's awesome. What a clusterf***. Is Brampton not designed for what it's doing though? Could one expect the new Milton Paradise Intermodal and Cycling Zone to be better equipped?


That's what I'm hoping will be taken into account. I've been told there will be a private road for the truck queues, but I'm waiting to hear back on exactly how long that road will be to find out if truck traffic will spill out onto our roads at peak times / capacity. CN has pledged to listen to these concerns and address them. As long as that's happening, we may just find a happy medium here if there's no possibility of moving the facility somewhere else. Lots more info to come as we dig deeper into the plans.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:46 pm 
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Draven wrote:
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For anyone interested, I've just posted some information to my blog regarding truck traffic and wait times for the Brampton Intermodal Facility (BIT) to help put things into perspective as far as what we might be able to expect with a new intermodal facility in Milton.

I will look more closely at CN's plans for the facility in Milton once the information centre opens and ask questions to determine if they have taken these truck traffic issues into account to prevent trucks waiting in line from spilling out onto regional and local roads in the area and inconveniencing local residents. My sole purpose was to help provide some perspective on the type of truck traffic and road congestion that these types of facilities can bring into the area for anyone unfamiliar with these types of facilities. Interpret these images as you wish. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

http://johnp.ca/blog/perspective-truck- ... l-terminal


Is the truck entry point different from the truck exit point?


I've just asked them and will let you know once I get a response.

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I don't care where the entry point or exit point is ! I just don't want these trucks running across our town! Don't you be concerned about all the noise and air pollution? For those people who support this project, I bet you don't live in Milton. What if there is going to be an intermodal just next to your house? Would you be happy to say :" oh, it could bring many Supply Chain Management jobs, so I want this intermodal built next to my backyard."
I don't have problem with intermodal itself though, please find another appropriate place to build it please!


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For residents wanting to understand what feedback they can provide, the Region of Halton has put together a very good summary, see the following link: http://www.halton.ca/cms/One.aspx?porta ... eId=130136

At the bottom of the link (section 7), is an outline of 5 ways a Milton resident can provide feedback.

See the link above but the Coles Notes version of your arsenal to attack this is:

1. Tell our MP Lisa Raitt (remember, her voice in Ottawa is only as loud as ours so speak up) http://www.lisaraittmp.com/?page_id=12
2. CN online feedback form (remember, shareholders value "Good Will" on balance sheets) http://www.cnmilton.com/#contactanchor
3. Visit the CN information centre on Saturday, March 28 at 61 James Snow Parkway, Suite 202 in Milton operating from 9 am to 2 pm and tell CN what you think. I encourage you all to suggest they move it to where they have 2 sets of tracks North of James Snow Parkway that is just a little east of Bronte (as James Snow runs parallel to the 401, in case you were not aware), take a drive there and see for yourself the massive amount of unused land perfect for such a facility.
4. Email your comments to CN directly at milton@cn.ca or call 1-800-216-9466
5. Once this is up (you need to keep checking) you have 20 days after Monday March 23 to provide comments to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency (CEAA) http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/index-eng.cfm

Please share this information to your fellow Milton neighbours. An OPTION to this location in Milton DOES EXIST and from my personal inspection of the NORTHERN INDUSTRIAL SITE where CN HAS TRACKS in place, makes way more sense.

Although no one is suggesting this, I think it makes sense to also let the Provincial MPP (email: inaidoo-harris.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org) and Provincial Minister of Transportation (email: sdelduca.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org and ministry email: minister.mto@ontario.ca) know what you think, the more opposition to the location you and others can make, the better, as this again impacts CN's value on their "Good Will".

Remember, until there are shovels in the ground, anything can happen and your engagement, even if only filling out online feedback forms, WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:25 am 
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J.S wrote:
I don't care where the entry point or exit point is ! I just don't want these trucks running across our town! Don't you be concerned about all the noise and air pollution? For those people who support this project, I bet you don't live in Milton. What if there is going to be an intermodal just next to your house? Would you be happy to say :" oh, it could bring many Supply Chain Management jobs, so I want this intermodal built next to my backyard."
I don't have problem with intermodal itself though, please find another appropriate place to build it please!


Some additional points on top of CoffeeJune:

For all that want the intermodal to be relocated, be productive and do something!:
1. Visit the page: http://www.miltonsaysno.com/ and click on "Take Action"
2. Attend the information session: Tuesday, Mar. 24 from 7 to 9 p.m. at the Milton Lions Club Hall, 77 Thompson Rd. S.
3. "Members of the public will have 20 days from the date the project description is posted to provide comments to the CEAA, who will then determine whether a federal environmental assessment is required for the project.Members of the public who wish to provide comments should monitor the CEAA website and add their comments to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Registry (external link) when the project is posted."
http://www.halton.ca/cms/One.aspx?porta ... eId=130136
4. There is a federal election coming up. Support the candidate you believe will stand up and fight for halton residents, rather than someone that does nothing and hides in the shadows.
5. Don't be discouraged and don't lose hope. There are other people in our community who are not giving up.


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CoffeeJune wrote:
For residents wanting to understand what feedback they can provide, the Region of Halton has put together a very good summary, see the following link: http://www.halton.ca/cms/One.aspx?porta ... eId=130136

At the bottom of the link (section 7), is an outline of 5 ways a Milton resident can provide feedback.

See the link above but the Coles Notes version of your arsenal to attack this is:

1. Tell our MP Lisa Raitt (remember, her voice in Ottawa is only as loud as ours so speak up) http://www.lisaraittmp.com/?page_id=12
2. CN online feedback form (remember, shareholders value "Good Will" on balance sheets) http://www.cnmilton.com/#contactanchor
3. Visit the CN information centre on Saturday, March 28 at 61 James Snow Parkway, Suite 202 in Milton operating from 9 am to 2 pm and tell CN what you think. I encourage you all to suggest they move it to where they have 2 sets of tracks North of James Snow Parkway that is just a little east of Bronte (as James Snow runs parallel to the 401, in case you were not aware), take a drive there and see for yourself the massive amount of unused land perfect for such a facility.
4. Email your comments to CN directly at milton@cn.ca or call 1-800-216-9466
5. Once this is up (you need to keep checking) you have 20 days after Monday March 23 to provide comments to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency (CEAA) http://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/050/index-eng.cfm

Please share this information to your fellow Milton neighbours. An OPTION to this location in Milton DOES EXIST and from my personal inspection of the NORTHERN INDUSTRIAL SITE where CN HAS TRACKS in place, makes way more sense.

Although no one is suggesting this, I think it makes sense to also let the Provincial MPP (email: inaidoo-harris.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org) and Provincial Minister of Transportation (email: sdelduca.mpp.co@liberal.ola.org and ministry email: minister.mto@ontario.ca) know what you think, the more opposition to the location you and others can make, the better, as this again impacts CN's value on their "Good Will".

Remember, until there are shovels in the ground, anything can happen and your engagement, even if only filling out online feedback forms, WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE.


CoffeeJune:

Where is the location you're thinking of? Is it Boston Church Road? I want to take a drive to see it.

Also, am I reading it correctly that CN merely states their project intentions to the CEAA and we, as citizens, have only 20 days to say they should actually do an environmental assessment? So, if no one requests an assessment, they just bypass that step?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:03 am 
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A bit of information I've come across:

In 2008 A VP with CN announced to Regional Council they were cancelling the Intermodal facility, and were looking a rail-only facility for the site. In response planners with the Town, and Region designated those lands to be strategic employment post 2031. Think of the area at the south side of the 401.

Under the Railway Act they have the right to develop the 100 yards immediately to either side of the rail line without anyone's permission. The Railway Act being federal, the Province hasn't got any say in it.

CN has chosen to submit a project description to the Canadian Environmental Assessment Agency (CEAA), which they will do Monday. The agency comes under the Ministry of the Environment, so the Minister you're looking for is: Leona Aglukkaq. Lisa Raitt has no say in it. However, she will listen to constituents' opinions, and answer any questions that arise.

If you want to contact Aglukkaq her email address is: Minister@ec.gc.ca.

Or if you want to follow the CN project through the process head to this link: https://www.ceaa-acee.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En

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