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 Post subject: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:19 pm 
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so it appears the great minds that's running our town has turned down the by-law to make masks mandatory for inside public spaces.

https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story ... ask-bylaw/

the funniest part of this article is:

The mayor said he believes that the region would support such a bylaw “by a large majority.”

Why not just pass the by-law in the town anyways if he feel the region would pass it?

Interesting how other municipalities has passed such by-laws and taking onto themselves rather than hoping or pushing it back to the region.

I'd really like to know the reasons for it being defeated especially with Milton leading the number of new cases in Halton.


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:07 pm 
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Cowardly decision. What’s the downside? What a way to pass the buck. At least burlington
Had guts.


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 11:46 pm 
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Considering non medical masks do not stop covid why would you want to wear one?

Even the ONA (Ontario Nurse Association, you know those front line workers) took govt to court and WON again. They even quote
https://www.ona.org/news-posts/coronavirus-updates/

Oh PLUS Health Canada goes on record saying non medical masks do nothing
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... rings.html

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Wearing a mask alone will not prevent the spread of COVID-19. You must consistently and strictly adhere to good hygiene and public health measures, including frequent hand washing and physical (social) distancing.

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These types of masks may not be effective in blocking virus particles that may be transmitted by coughing, sneezing or certain medical procedures. They do not provide complete protection from virus particles because of a potential loose fit and the materials used.


The serious issue is that the covidiots think a paper / cloth / homemade mask is somehow a piece of armour and as soon as they start wearing one they start doing idiot (unsafe) things
Take a look at somewhere crowded (the Zoo and the Aquarium are great examples, as are the now opened Attractions Niagara such as haunted houses)

A person wearing no mask being smart is far safer than an idiot wearing a mask and not following Health Canada guidelines
These blanket bylaws are foolishness

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:18 am 
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When did this site become the peppermint soapbox forum? I really miss the block user function.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:17 pm 
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Looks like Pep's is posting links that do not agree with his comments again. Usually people post links to support comments, not links that contradict comments. Kind of unusual.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:43 pm 
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More:
https://publichealth.uic.edu/news-stori ... ound-data/

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We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks because:


There is no scientific evidence they are effective in reducing the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission
Their use may result in those wearing the masks to relax other distancing efforts because they have a sense of protection
We need to preserve the supply of surgical masks for at-risk healthcare workers.


Sweeping mask recommendations—as many have proposed—will not reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission, as evidenced by the widespread practice of wearing such masks in the Hubai province before and during its mass COVID-19 transmission experience earlier this year. Our review of relevant studies indicates that cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as PPE.


Surgical masks likely have some utility as source control (meaning the wearer limits virus dispersal to another person) from a symptomatic patient in a healthcare setting to stop the spread of large cough particles and limit the lateral dispersion of cough particles. They may also have very limited utility as source control or PPE in households.


Another:
https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/10900000/000594878.pdf

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The current Japanese government advice to citizens and residents is that only those with cold or other illness symptoms need wear face masks in public, and that advice makes sense in the current shortage. It also makes sense for healthy people to curb habitual mask usage and not to panic-buy and hoard masks, in order to give priority at least to those who are ill.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:48 pm 
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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
Looks like Pep's is posting links that do not agree with his comments again. Usually people post links to support comments, not links that contradict comments. Kind of unusual.

I always love hearing your logic so please continue :)

If wearing a mask in any way even slowed down transmission of Covid, then how exactly do you explain the Covid Pandemic?

Chinese people wear masks every day. Before, during, and after the outbreak.

If masks worked we would never have had to shut down or do any of the nonsense we did after the fact.

A paper/cloth/homemade mask does not work.
We do not have enough supplies to issue N95 grade masks to everyone.
N95 masks can not be recycled or reused.

Those are well established facts.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 6:49 am 
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^ Oh peps,,, I simply pointed out that your link contradicted your opinion. Most people post links that support their opinions not links that disagree with them. Then again, you do that quite often. Rather strange actually.

BTW, I would never engage you in a discussion. There is no hope of you ever having a *paradigm shift regarding your opinions.

Enjoy your Sunday.

* A fundamental change in approach or underlying assumptions.

It's my opinion that considerate people are wearing masks where needed. Why after all, should considerate mask wearing patrons of stores be wary of distancing from clowns without masks.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 1:13 am 
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You also just proved you enjoy using big words without understanding their meanings lol

And yes the links do back up what was said but I am sensing reading is not your strongest suit

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:18 am 
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^ :) Poor peps. I posted the google definition just for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
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You're right. Cloth masks do not prevent the transmission of the virus. What it does is reduces the risk of spreading. The key word is reduce.

Not sure why anybody is opposed to reducing the risk.

For every study you post saying it's ineffective, there are countless others in support of it. Why take the risk of not wearing one if there's a chance it'll help. Even if it reduces by 5%, hell even 1% I'll gladly wear a mask. If the wearing a mask reduces the risk of people near me, even by 1%, I'll gladly wear one.


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:44 am 
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Bill Nye, the science guy, says it best. Well, I guess shows it best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0UclAmrhVI

People who refuse to wear masks often say that they will just stay 6 feet away from other people. What they fail to consider is that the people wearing masks need to be wary of them and make sure they are 6 away for them.

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Agreed. it's the new saying. I wear a mask to protect you, you wear a mask to protect me.

Hell, even the big orange man in the states has eventually come around and wore a mask


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denti wrote:

Hell, even the big orange man in the states has eventually come around and wore a mask.


That was only because he was at a veterans hospital.

You would think that with his very thin skin he would want to wear one all the time.

Good for Lumberville - No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no entry to the store.

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Odds are high that masks will be mandatory in Milton. I know for a fact that this is good news for business owners in town.

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Mandatory masks are expected to come to Milton by Wednesday when the Halton Region will review passing a bylaw making them mandatory for indoor public spaces.

This means that businesses in Milton will require customers to wear a mask inside their stores.

Milton Chamber of Commerce President and CEO Scott McCammon says the decision to make the bylaw Region-wide made sense.


https://www.miltonnow.ca/2020/07/14/81505/

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