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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:00 pm 
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I'm pretty sure that any builders contractor will rip out any wiring done by outside sources. That being said, I am going to try and do the same.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2004 2:47 pm 
I definitely know the answer is a no on this one - arrange to have this done after closing. The builders will rip it out and your home may be delayed as a result.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:16 pm 
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trish wrote:
I work for a computer company in sales and my boyfriend also works in the industry as a technician, I do not really recommend running cat5 throughout your house?

There is a HUGE chance it will be obsolete in a few years and wireless stuff has become incredible inexpensive!

That is what we did, works great! We can take the laptop out on the porch or in the back yard, (once it is readdy)

As for speaker cable I know my boyfriend know where to get it really cheap I think he bought 300FT of 12 gauge wire for like $99, he really knows what he is doing when it comes to audio video stuff!

I cannot remember where but if anyone is interested I will ask him!


You can run gigabit on CAT5e (note the e) so don't be alarmed if you have that installed or are planning on having it installed.

Trish, before I ask you to get me the name of your cable guy do you have any extra left over? I'll hang myself with 300 feet :)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 7:04 pm 
With Wireless your probably only going to get a realistic transfer rate of max 54 meg a sec that's if your on a G network. Also take into consideration your card the distance and the structure inbetween the access point and your notebook.

The benefits of cat 5 is you can get 100 MB transfer rates in between yer peecee's to transfer those mp3's or porn from notebook to server and so on and so forth. Then you can unplug and go in the backyard and chill out with yer notebook.

If you use wireless to transfer files etc it's gonna be dog ass slow, even on the new standards i.e. G.

If you only use web pages and email wireless is probably suffice, but cat5 isn't going to be obsolete anytime soon.

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Just to clarify.. that's mega BITS, not bytes.

Let's get technical..

Take the theoretical bitrate and divide by 10.. (yes 10, not 8, must account for some basic header overhead)

So 54 megaBITs would be a max of 5 megaBYTES a second. And even that is pushing it as there is a big cost of latency for wireless connections.

100 Megabit or 10 megaBYTEs / second..

We do transfer studies at work for all of our storage products. The average Windows XP to XP machine with 100M cards will yield an average of 5.8 megaBYTEs per second.

cat5e will yield you gigabit transfer rates when used with gigabit cards.. but again, theoretical max on that is 100 megaBYTEs / second. But that is unrealistic as the average PCI 32/33 bus will yield a maximum of 133 megaBYTEs / second.. so driving the ethernet and pulling data from disk at the same time could only deliver a max of 133 divided by two.. so 66 megaBYTES / second.. and that's providing the physical medium of your disk can deliver data that fast.

For the sake of endless discussion, I won't bring up duplex calculations, or network protocols, jumbo packet MTUs, etc..


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 12:17 am 
All,

Unfortunatly you cannot have an 3rd party contractor go into your house to do any type of wiring for the very simply reason that Mattamy is offering these options as a upgrade.

As for the comments about Cat5, Cat5e, Cat6, Cat6e - Cat5 is still good for MANY years to come. Cat5e is considered the current standard and will be more than enough for most home users. My house is currently wired with Cat5 which is more than enough for my whole house audio keypads, telephone, home automation and basic home computer network. Made sure that I had a few conduits installed from the basement to attic for future projects.

As for wireless, everyone and their uncle is talking about going wireless, I've tested a number of wireless products over the past 5-7 years and would still prefer going with a wired solution. Wireless is for those who dont plan ahead and is only good when you dont have a choose. With wireless baby monitors, IR remotes, cordless phones, wireless PC cards, Wireless NIC's, wireless security devices, wireless speakers, wireless mics... none of which is flawless in operation. So plan ahead and go with a wired solution and leave the wireless options as a all else failed option.

If your going with a wireless option be sure to use the security options. I know that there's a number of wireless networks in the areas that is not secured.


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I've added the conduit to our house to make things easier down the road. (A lot for a pc of plastic pipe if you ask me)

As for our computers, my home pc will be in the basement so there's no problem there and our 2 laptops will be wireless.

If you need to get any electrical/ computer supplies there are 3 stores almost right beside each other in Mississauga around Dixie and Matheson. Sayal electronics/ A&A electronics and I'm not sure the name of the last one. They are on the NE corner a block west of the intersection mentioned.
I've gone there for years and it's great. I just bought a satelite kit that has 25ft & 75ft of cable, a tape and hardware to mount the dish for $5.95!!

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Selwa wrote:
I've added the conduit to our house to make things easier down the road. (A lot for a pc of plastic pipe if you ask me)


I wish more peopel would do this.. In fact, it's cheaper to do this and have someone else (ahem, like me) to come in afterwards and wire up additional drops around the house.


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I've gone there for years and it's great. I just bought a satelite kit that has 25ft & 75ft of cable, a tape and hardware to mount the dish for $5.95!!


I am very familiar with these kits at Sayal.. there are two things of value in that box. 1) the grounding block and 2) the compass. The cable is nice and all, but it's always going to be the wrong length and you are going to want to cut and recap it. With dishes, cable length should always be at a minimum.


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Remember that your Cogeco HS modem or Sympatico can only bring you 1-2.5 Megabits per second. Using 802.11G at 58 Mbps or 802.11b at 11mbps or Cat 5 at 100 etc.... etc.... will not matter if you are just surfing the internet or doing remote printing.

Now if you want to copy DVD's or MP3's then your cable type will really matter.

As to Cat5e becoming obsolete?????? How many home users have Gigabit network cards, many large companies are not even at that standard, or if they are, they are hard coded to 100 full. Either way you cannot go wrong but I do agree with the conduits. i will look into that myself. Also, try getting an affordable Gigabit switch!!

As to cabling for yourself, if you get there before the drywallers, measure the distance from the corner to your drop. The dry waller will just drywall over your cabling. You can measure and go get it later.

Also, I believe the electricians run the cat 5 from matammy. if they do not pull it, they may crimp it and leave you wondering for years why you are not getting you max throughput.

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Matt wrote:
As to Cat5e becoming obsolete?????? How many home users have Gigabit network cards, many large companies are not even at that standard, or if they are, they are hard coded to 100 full. Either way you cannot go wrong but I do agree with the conduits. i will look into that myself. Also, try getting an affordable Gigabit switch!!


Yes, many large offices will have cat5 or 5e in place. No, many of them will not have gigabit to the desktop. Reason being the cost to retrofit. But new installations and updates will usually use the latest standard, which will be 5e or 6.

It is more likely to get gigabit in a home where the number of computers in use will be much smaller, and most motherboards anre now coming with cheap RealTek/Marvel gigabit chipsets.


There are plenty of cheap gigabit switches out there. Dell being my personal favourite. 16 port rackmountable switches for about $280. I have about 10 of them here in my office and 1 at home for all my stuff.

Also there are several cheap networking cloners out there who are now marketing their own router/swtich bundles with gigabit ports for well under $200.


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How do people feel about using the central vac pipes in houses with it roughed in and no central unit installed?


Thats a good thought, but you may want to make sure they put the location of the pipe where you would like your computer to be. Otherwise it will just be in the middle of a hallway

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nope usually one or 2 per floor, in the hallway so you can lug around 35 feet of vacume house.

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I'd highly recommend Cat6 cabling. Ideally you'd use face plates, but I've been having a hard time finding any face plates rated for Cat 6.

I opted to skip the plates for now and ran premade wiring in the basement and main floor. This is pretty easy stuff if you got carpetting. Just lift a corner of it and drill up from the basement.

Cost wise, it really depends on where you buy. CAT 6 should be really pricey but I was able to buy 25' cables for $13.99 each from Tigger Direct. I haven't tested the full bandwidth on these yet, but my switch reconigzes the Gigabit connection.

My only issue is getting to the upper floor. I figure one of these days I'll run a wire down along the air duct or something. And if I ever find cat 6 rated wall plates I'll clip the existing lines and finish them up nicely.

Personally I prefer the security and speed of a wired lan. Not perfect security, but one less entry point then what Wireless offers.

Wireless is pretty easy thought :). Just make sure to enable the security options :).


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Honestly there isn't really a reason to go with category 6 wiring.. Cat6 is designed to support transfer rates up to 10 gigabits.

There currently is no consumer level hardware that will support that line speed, let alone non-line speed. Most consumer level hardware barely supports gigabit line speeds.

Cat5e will be around a long time before cat6 replaces it at the residential level.

You won't find cat6 rated jacks at Home Depot or Rona. But if you need some, I do sell, and install them.

Beware of running wires through ducts.. You may require plenum grade cable in order to reduce the spread of fire.

You mention you bought 25' cables from Tiger Direct.. Were these moulded cables ends with stranded cores? Stranded cable is not really designed to be crimped into jacks, or even recrimped into RJ45 plugs.

As a side note, I have wired my current house with cat6. But it was cable left over from a previous job and worked in my favour. I am also the guy who has been running gigabit networks in his house for over 3 years.

If you have questions about this, or how it works.. Please ask, as this is what I do.

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dguy wrote:
I'm thinking about running a pipe or conduit of some kind (or have the builder run it for me) but I'm not sure exactly WHERE to run it.

Do you think one conduit in a central location from basement to second floor is good enough, or do you think I should pick an exact location where I want my wires to be used most ?


Let your builder decide where to install this. They will pick the straightest line from basement to attic and make sure that it does not intefere with any other types of electrical, plumbing or hvac runs in the house.

Wire can be run anywhere in an attic or an unfinished basement.

I think Mattamy does it for $200 for a 1.25" pipe. Well worth it.

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