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I'm sorry but no.

In some cases speeding can be considered dangerous driving, and likely you'd get a ticket for dangerous driving to go with your speeding ticket in those cases. But to say that all speeding is dangerous driving is just adding to the atrociously ridiculous arguments already in this thread.

Going 15-25 over in a 70-100 km/h zone is not dangerous driving. I don't think you can honestly believe it is.

I too will be requesting or finding out how we can get some stop signs in the HVE area (mainly at Scott and Savoline). People are bloody idiots around here when it comes to driving (and please don't tell me that it only looks like they are driving fast). I have no time for people who make excuses for speeding in residential areas. Unfortunately it will take someone getting seriously hurt or killed before the town takes speeding residential drivers seriously. Zhamid, do you think cross walks would work? I'm skeptical knowing the type of drivers we have in town.

Lets respectfully disagree here (hopefully not ridiculously).

Speeding is dangerous driving. Speed limit is the maximum permissible safe (non dangerous) limit set by the government, for the best possible conditions.

You should respect the speed limit as well as the driving conditions, which if you do it will always cause you to drive at or slower than speed limit.

Yes, because the speed limit is a true reflection of the maximum safe limit of the road. And to believe the the government is even capable of figuring that out is laughable.

If you really think that 60 (or under as you say) is the absolute highest speed for safely traveling along Derry ... then yes, I guess we're going to be stuck disagreeing.

um, wrong. I can't agree to disagree since you're absolutely wrong. lol

Speeding 10 over the limit is an offense, but is not careless or dangerous driving.
Careless driving is a worse offense
Dangerous driving is an even worse offense that comes with a minimum one year license suspension.

http://www.criminal-lawyer.on.ca/careless-driving.html

whether its is the absolute highest speed for safely traveling along Derry or not is not even up for discussion, because it has been deemed so by the government and signs are posted.

The right way is to discuss this is not by going over the posted limit but by disussing this with the town.

Dangerous operation of motor vehicles, vessels and aircraft
249. (1) Every one commits an offence who operates

(a) a motor vehicle in a manner that is dangerous to the public, having regard to all the circumstances, including the nature, condition and use of the place at which the motor vehicle is being operated and the amount of traffic that at the time is or might reasonably be expected to be at that place;

Dangerous operation causing death

(4) Every one who commits an offence under subsection (1) and thereby causes the death of any other person is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

Just a few weeks I was honoured with my first speeding ticket in Canada (rural Milton) for going too fast in 50 km/h zone. Police officer told me he was monitoring the area because local residents addressed their concerns to them.
My advise to you as parent to parent – talk to another parents in the area and check if they feel the same. If so - talk to police.
Do not waste your time here.

Hello everyone

Have informed the police and town engineering staff of your concerns and requested the police increase their enforcement in the area and town staff install stop signs where necessary.

Colin Best
Local & regional councillor
Milton/Halton
Member of the Halton Regional Police Services Board
www.colinbest.ca

YES!

Thanks Colin.
That means they won't be on JSP for a while.

The problem most posters have, including myself, is that people are not driving safely in residential areas. People fly through Stop Signs all the time in countless intersections. Ive spent some time at different areas and observed a TON of people flying through without really stopping. Thats not including the rolling stops by the way.

There are people who drive way too fast in residential areas. You cant equate driving on the highway with driving in residential streets. The roads are not as narrow in most cases and there are less people that can be hit/affected.

Yates Drive is a perfect example of people not obeying the speed limits and stop signs. Theres a house thats been hit 2 times by a car! Why? A car speeding down the street and someone at an intersection not stopping properly before moving. The road conditions? Dry as a bone.

There are dozens of examples of areas that need to have either reduced speed limits (hense higher fines if caught) or traffic calming zones (small / subtle speed bumps) to help reduce the rate of speed.

Stop signs at every intersection arent always the best solution. Just drive around Oakville in some places and see how the flow of traffic can be disrupted with too many Stop Signs.

What needs to be done is work on people and their driving habits. As they say at the CN Tower, thats a "TALL" order.

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I hated photo radar under the Rae government but I'd be open to discussion on it on residential streets, especially around high pedestrian traffic areas. Am I nuts in thinking such a thing?

Well if they set the radar to maybe allow someone to go 3-5 km over the posted limit at the most (or not) before nabbing them, it would hit speeders in the pocket book and maybe make them think twice. I know it doesn't solve the problem of dangerous drivers. I'd be interested to see if this has worked successfully in other communities.

love the idea. photo radar on Scott plse.

Could photo radar be mounted high enough to avoid vandalism? Although I'm not a huge fan of speed bumps, I'm warming up to them after hearing people's excuses for speeding on here (not this thread in particular) and seeing the many aholes that continually speed in residential areas in Milton.