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 Post subject: Re: New Pope
PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:10 pm 
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:03 pm 
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If I was allowed to pick my own name, it wouldn’t be Francis. Just sayin.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:17 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:15 am 
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Dabills wrote:
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76 years old, Pope Francis the 1st. Seems like a great man.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/1 ... 69221.html


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:00 am 
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For the individuals that are not educated in Catholicism, this religion does NOT accept homosexuality. Therefore, this Pope is correct with his beliefs. If he believed in homosexually and gay marriage then it would be contradictory to the Roman Catholic beliefs.
Please do not try to start a debate about this religion. The beauty of this world is that you are free to believe in any religion you choose. Therefore, if a religion does not "suit you", move on and find one that does. No need to stir up crap this early in the morning. Seriously!


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:03 am 
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That's the good thing about Catholics. We can take the heat. Unlike other faiths.

Pope seems like a great man and well suited for the role.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:03 am 
routehero wrote:
Dabills wrote:
From Argentina,

76 years old, Pope Francis the 1st. Seems like a great man.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/1 ... 69221.html


I'm as atheist as the next free thinking person, but to think any catholic leader would be for gay marriage/adoption is a pipe dream. My big hope is reform on priests marrying and potentially having female priests.. But who really knows as this is an institution entrenched in tradition.

On the bright side, this guy is a Jesuit, which IMO are the brightest of the catholic cult. They don't ignore science, in fact some of the best universities across the globe are Jesuit schools (Georgetown, Gonzaga, Marquette, St Joe's, Xavier, Creighton, St. Louis, Fordham to name a few). So while the whole gay marriage thing is still kaput, at least we may have someone here who actually acknowledges the existence of dinosaurs.

One last great thing about this guy.. It's not delivery. It's Bergoglio.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:06 am 
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For the individuals that are not educated in Catholicism, this religion does NOT accept homosexuality. Therefore, this Pope is correct with his beliefs. If he believed in homosexually and gay marriage then it would be contradictory to the Roman Catholic beliefs.
Please do not try to start a debate about this religion. The beauty of this world is that you are free to believe in any religion you choose. Therefore, if a religion does not "suit you", move on and find one that does. No need to stir up crap this early in the morning. Seriously!


I don't think the issue is letting them believe what they choose. I am all for letting people do as they please. What I do have issue with is they force their beliefs on others. They force their beliefs in the countries they reside and push to have them enacted as laws. One only has to look at the gay marriage debate in the states for evidence. But as I stated in another post, this guy may be the most progressive thinking pope ever.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:45 am 
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The "mission" of most faiths is to share their religion with others and convert others to their beliefs. All faiths do that....missionaries have been around for hundreds of years and that is how the faith spread in the first place. They aren't forcing their religion, they are sharing their ideas in attempt to convert people to their beliefs which is what most religions teach their followers to do. It's certainly not a Catholic thing.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:51 am 
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The "mission" of most faiths is to share their religion with others and convert others to their beliefs. All faiths do that....missionaries have been around for hundreds of years and that is how the faith spread in the first place. They aren't forcing their religion, they are sharing their ideas in attempt to convert people to their beliefs which is what most religions teach their followers to do. It's certainly not a Catholic thing.



Once again, I don't think that is the issue at hand. Spread your faith, those who want to join, awesome. I think any group, association or cult has that mandate. Religion is no different, its all good. Once again, where people take exception is when the church uses its strength, numbers, money and influence to change laws (stem cell research, abortion, gay marriage/adoption to name a few) in accordance with their faith. That IS forcing your religion as you are imposing how you choose to live your life upon me. Having said all of that, this is not exclusive to the Catholic religion, as all attempt to do it.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:26 am 
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Hawthorny wrote:
Soupy wrote:
The "mission" of most faiths is to share their religion with others and convert others to their beliefs. All faiths do that....missionaries have been around for hundreds of years and that is how the faith spread in the first place. They aren't forcing their religion, they are sharing their ideas in attempt to convert people to their beliefs which is what most religions teach their followers to do. It's certainly not a Catholic thing.



Once again, I don't think that is the issue at hand. Spread your faith, those who want to join, awesome. I think any group, association or cult has that mandate. Religion is no different, its all good. Once again, where people take exception is when the church uses its strength, numbers, money and influence to change laws (stem cell research, abortion, gay marriage/adoption to name a few) in accordance with their faith. That IS forcing your religion as you are imposing how you choose to live your life upon me. Having said all of that, this is not exclusive to the Catholic religion, as all attempt to do it.


Hinduism does not mandate proselytization. There is no mission to convert the world. If God wanted you to be a Hindu, you'd be born one. If you choose to adopt the way of life, it's your call. I think generally Hindus don't care what your beliefs are or arent. It's all between you and your God anyway.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:33 am 
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Ms President wrote:
For the individuals that are not educated in Catholicism, this religion does NOT accept homosexuality. Therefore, this Pope is correct with his beliefs. If he believed in homosexually and gay marriage then it would be contradictory to the Roman Catholic beliefs.
Please do not try to start a debate about this religion. The beauty of this world is that you are free to believe in any religion you choose. Therefore, if a religion does not "suit you", move on and find one that does. No need to stir up crap this early in the morning. Seriously!


Then why do so many Catholic priests engage in it? Before you jump down my throat, it is what it is no matter how much you try to whitewash it.

Annie wrote:
Hinduism does not mandate proselytization. There is no mission to convert the world. If God wanted you to be a Hindu, you'd be born one. If you choose to adopt the way of life, it's your call. I think generally Hindus don't care what your beliefs are or arent. It's all between you and your God anyway.


Unless you're a Hindu in India living next an Islamic family. But that may have to do more with the Moghul conquest of India rather than religion. Religion is just an easy way to start a war.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:34 am 
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Hawthorny wrote:
Soupy wrote:
The "mission" of most faiths is to share their religion with others and convert others to their beliefs. All faiths do that....missionaries have been around for hundreds of years and that is how the faith spread in the first place. They aren't forcing their religion, they are sharing their ideas in attempt to convert people to their beliefs which is what most religions teach their followers to do. It's certainly not a Catholic thing.



Once again, I don't think that is the issue at hand. Spread your faith, those who want to join, awesome. I think any group, association or cult has that mandate. Religion is no different, its all good. Once again, where people take exception is when the church uses its strength, numbers, money and influence to change laws (stem cell research, abortion, gay marriage/adoption to name a few) in accordance with their faith. That IS forcing your religion as you are imposing how you choose to live your life upon me. Having said all of that, this is not exclusive to the Catholic religion, as all attempt to do it.


Hinduism does not mandate proselytization. There is no mission to convert the world. If God wanted you to be a Hindu, you'd be born one. If you choose to adopt the way of life, it's your call. I think generally Hindus don't care what your beliefs are or arent. It's all between you and your God anyway.


Very interesting information, I must admit I am naive in the Hindu faith. All I know about is the half elephant/octopus Ganesh deity because I saw it on the simpsons. Now that I think about it, all I know about that religion Apu from the simpsons taught me. Is it true Hindu's started the Quick-E Mart? Joking aside, how to they keep their membership so high if there is no recruiting?

Is the caste system still heavily pushed in India though? IMO that is a pretty big interference in peoples lives via religion.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:45 am 
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MiltonShiv wrote:
Ms President wrote:
For the individuals that are not educated in Catholicism, this religion does NOT accept homosexuality. Therefore, this Pope is correct with his beliefs. If he believed in homosexually and gay marriage then it would be contradictory to the Roman Catholic beliefs.
Please do not try to start a debate about this religion. The beauty of this world is that you are free to believe in any religion you choose. Therefore, if a religion does not "suit you", move on and find one that does. No need to stir up crap this early in the morning. Seriously!


Then why do so many Catholic priests engage in it? Before you jump down my throat, it is what it is no matter how much you try to whitewash it.

No need for me to jump down your throat & no need for me to whitewash anything.
Any Priest who engages in it should be removed from teaching the word of God as they are committing a SIN. They should never be allowed to preach ever again. Just because a man chooses to become a priest doesn't not mean he is free to behave any way he wishes because he feels there is entitlement & power by being a priest.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:54 am 
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Hawthorny wrote:
Very interesting information, I must admit I am naive in the Hindu faith. All I know about is the half elephant/octopus Ganesh deity because I saw it on the simpsons. Now that I think about it, all I know about that religion Apu from the simpsons taught me. Is it true Hindu's started the Quick-E Mart? Joking aside, how to they keep their membership so high if there is no recruiting?

Is the caste system still heavily pushed in India though? IMO that is a pretty big interference in peoples lives via religion.


You forgot the episode where they did a cross section of the earth and past the crust, magma etc, there was a giant Shiva sitting in the core, in what looked like a control room, pushing a bunch of buttons with his multiple arms. :P

As for membership being high....2 reasons. 1) Breed them and brainwash them ( do you know what the population of India is? Not the mention the reach of the Indian diaspora globally. They're everywhere. ). 2) Flexibility. Nobody stops being a Hindu because you don't have to. Don't want to be a vegetarian? Eat meat. Love the taste of Cow? No worries, you can give it up next lifetime. There is a facet of hinduism that meets whatever your level of commitment is. Don't even want to pray? Just do good works instead. Work is literally Worship. Your faith, your call.

The caste system is an Indian socio economic thing not really a Hindu thing. Same for burning widows. Husbands family don't want the financial burden of looking after her so they toss her on the fire too.

The one thing all religions have in common is that the scriptures were written by men, who twisted things and made things up to suit their own purposes. God didn't write anything. Men did and said that it's what God told them. Maybe God did, but do you really know for sure?

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