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Mike_Cluett
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The problem most posters have, including myself, is that people are not driving safely in residential areas. People fly through Stop Signs all the time in countless intersections. Ive spent some time at different areas and observed a TON of people flying through without really stopping. Thats not including the rolling stops by the way.
There are people who drive way too fast in residential areas. You cant equate driving on the highway with driving in residential streets. The roads are not as narrow in most cases and there are less people that can be hit/affected.
Yates Drive is a perfect example of people not obeying the speed limits and stop signs. Theres a house thats been hit 2 times by a car! Why? A car speeding down the street and someone at an intersection not stopping properly before moving. The road conditions? Dry as a bone.
There are dozens of examples of areas that need to have either reduced speed limits (hense higher fines if caught) or traffic calming zones (small / subtle speed bumps) to help reduce the rate of speed.
Stop signs at every intersection arent always the best solution. Just drive around Oakville in some places and see how the flow of traffic can be disrupted with too many Stop Signs.
What needs to be done is work on people and their driving habits. As they say at the CN Tower, thats a "TALL" order.
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RCK10
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I think you've just summed up what I've been trying to say... perhaps not as effectively.
Changing the mindset of people behind the wheel.
AND, you provided further anecdotal evidence that this is a problem.
So, not only do we have a problem with some people not driving in a safe way, we have a problem with people who deny that it's happening or that it's a problem anyway.
I, for one, am not for policing as a method of changing mindsets. Then people would drive more safely out of fear of being punished... not because they are concerned for the safety of others (and themselves).
In the end though, if it's not possible to influence people to be more considerate and empathetic, then I'll take whatever method results in fewer dangerous drivers. |
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csb101
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I hated photo radar under the Rae government but I'd be open to discussion on it on residential streets, especially around high pedestrian traffic areas. Am I nuts in thinking such a thing? |
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RCK10
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| csb101 wrote: | | I hated photo radar under the Rae government but I'd be open to discussion on it on residential streets, especially around high pedestrian traffic areas. Am I nuts in thinking such a thing? |
I think so. Photo radar doesn't differentiate between a driver going 2k/h over the limit who's driving safely and one going 2k/h under the limit and driving dangerously.
It also assumes, as somebody else pointed out, that the posted speed limits are a good reflection of a safe speed on that street.
I don't know though. I don't think I feel strongly enough to really advocate against it. |
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csb101
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| Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Well if they set the radar to maybe allow someone to go 3-5 km over the posted limit at the most (or not) before nabbing them, it would hit speeders in the pocket book and maybe make them think twice. I know it doesn't solve the problem of dangerous drivers. I'd be interested to see if this has worked successfully in other communities. |
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Scotian Lotion
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| RCK10 wrote: | | On another note, people keep saying 'pedestrians can't tell'. Well, one, just because YOU don't think that YOU can tell, doesn't mean that other people don't have a keener sense of depth perception (allowing for a better judgement of speed). |
So would you have us believe you are the Terminator with advanced sensors?
Here's another take on it... and has nothing to do with whether or not someone is speeding. It has to do with what you can prove.
You don't need proof if you want to secretly hate someone for being a dangerous driver, but you better have proof if you're going to approach them and tell them off.
A scenario (which I was involved in 3 years ago in the Waterloo region):
On my motorcycle, in a 60km/h zone... in an area recently developed with a road, but no structures or intersecting streets. It has a nice 'S'-bend in it and I would frequently go through there at over 200km/h.
I was blasting through there one day at the usual 200 km/h until I came upon the main street... where I turned left at the lights, blended in with traffic and proceeded along at 50-60 km/h.
All of a sudden, a cop is behind me. "Oh snap!" I think, "I'm f**ked".
I pull over and the cop tells me what he saw (keyword, SAW). He was coming down a perpendicular road, which is on a hill and gave him a clear view in the distance of what I was doing. He estimated my speed (he was within' 30 km/h of my correct speed, he actually guessed lower).
Then he asked me how fast I was going and I replied "I can't say for sure. It felt like the flow of traffic" (even though there was no traffic).
Guess what happened?
NOTHING! He couldn't prove anything because he couldn't pull a radar gun out of his a$$ and show me a number that he could write on a little yellow piece of paper.
It has nothing to do with depth perception or your (self-perceived) advanced sense of judgment.
There's no doubt in my mind people are speeding in HV, HVE, LMNOP & XYZ. Best solution, since cops can't be there 24/7... big a$$ speed bumps. They'll actually slow people down so they don't mow over someone's kid. Photo radar will just convict the guy who kills the children... but that won't bring them back. |
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ace__05
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'd actually like to see large speed bumps put in certain places to slow down traffic where speeding seems to be a big problem. Large speed bumps being the kind that are 5-10 feet long and very rounded.
The problem with this is that the cronic speeders with just choose other streets to fly down.
Another neat method is an off-shoot of photo radar and is used quite effectively in many speed happy locations. Basically you have an LED contruction sign with a radar gun attached that just tells people their actual speed. Put it right beside a speed limit sign. Most of the time when people see their speed like this they slow down.
Having photo radar hand out tickets for doing 3-5 kph over the speed limit is ridiculous. People will just end up getting pissed at the radar thingy and come back to damage it, costing us tax payers more money to either buy a new one or repair it. No thanks. |
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MiltonNew2009
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| love the idea. photo radar on Scott plse. |
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Zeeshan Hamid
Joined: 27 Jul 2007
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Location: Ward 8 (just off of Scott Blvd)
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ace__05 wrote: | | Another neat method is an off-shoot of photo radar and is used quite effectively in many speed happy locations. Basically you have an LED contruction sign with a radar gun attached that just tells people their actual speed. Put it right beside a speed limit sign. Most of the time when people see their speed like this they slow down. |
Someone offered to bring a photo radar with LED that tells people their speed. Once speed limits are posted I'll ask her to bring it. We could try it out for a couple of days to see if it helps. It should at least help draw attention to the posted limits though (which will be 40km/hr)
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csb101
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Could photo radar be mounted high enough to avoid vandalism? Although I'm not a huge fan of speed bumps, I'm warming up to them after hearing people's excuses for speeding on here (not this thread in particular) and seeing the many aholes that continually speed in residential areas in Milton. |
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Scotian Lotion
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| csb101 wrote: | | Could photo radar be mounted high enough to avoid vandalism? Although I'm not a huge fan of speed bumps, I'm warming up to them after hearing people's excuses for speeding on here (not this thread in particular) and seeing the many aholes that continually speed in residential areas in Milton. |
Yes.
On Ray Lawson, in Brampton there is an LED mounted high on a light pole that reads "50 km/h"... as you approach it, if your speed exceeds 60 km/h... it will start flashing "SLOW DOWN!" There is another one on the same street in a school zone, and the speed limit posting changes during school times to read 40km/h and flash SLOW DOWN if you exceed 50km/h
They aren't mounted super high, but high enough that most people would need a golf club to give it a proper bashing |
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ace__05
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| As long as it's not handing out arbitrary tickets, I'm cool with it. It's more of an educational tool to help change the way drivers drive in certain areas. I'm all for that. |
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RCK10
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| RCK10 wrote: | I think you've just summed up what I've been trying to say... perhaps not as effectively.
Changing the mindset of people behind the wheel.
AND, you provided further anecdotal evidence that this is a problem.
So, not only do we have a problem with some people not driving in a safe way, we have a problem with people who deny that it's happening or that it's a problem anyway.
I, for one, am not for policing as a method of changing mindsets. Then people would drive more safely out of fear of being punished... not because they are concerned for the safety of others (and themselves).
In the end though, if it's not possible to influence people to be more considerate and empathetic, then I'll take whatever method results in fewer dangerous drivers. |
I just realized what that sounded like!!!
I meant that what I said wasn't as effective as what you said. YOU SAID IT BETTER!! Sorry about that man! |
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ace__05
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| Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| RCK10 wrote: | | RCK10 wrote: | I think you've just summed up what I've been trying to say... perhaps not as effectively.
Changing the mindset of people behind the wheel.
AND, you provided further anecdotal evidence that this is a problem.
So, not only do we have a problem with some people not driving in a safe way, we have a problem with people who deny that it's happening or that it's a problem anyway.
I, for one, am not for policing as a method of changing mindsets. Then people would drive more safely out of fear of being punished... not because they are concerned for the safety of others (and themselves).
In the end though, if it's not possible to influence people to be more considerate and empathetic, then I'll take whatever method results in fewer dangerous drivers. |
I just realized what that sounded like!!!
I meant that what I said wasn't as effective as what you said. YOU SAID IT BETTER!! Sorry about that man! |
hehehe, took me a couple re-reads of that first sentence to get what you meant. I assumed others would've taken a second glance too. Probably a good choice to clarify. |
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Canonman
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