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fred elwgren
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 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: roofs |
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| Don't know how many people in hawthorne phase 1 are noticing , but over 90% of all homes with roofs facing west or southwest are exhibiting areas of curling shingles . These homes are all only 8 years old and it seems odd that they all have this condition . Is there a design flaw or did Mattamy use inferior shingles . Mine are supposed to be good for 15 years but to have them deteriorating this early is not right . Comments anyone |
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Halton Home Inspector
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Fred,
The west and south facing roof slopes wear out first because they are exposed to the sun. The shingles are worn this early because they are cheap light duty shingles.
It only costs about 15% more in materials to install a much better shingle so the next roof on these homes should be better.
As well, the next roof on these homes should also include a metal drip edge at the eaves and better quality eave protection like Ice & Water Shield.
Andy
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Fred D
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Location: 4th line / St Laurent
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:26 am Post subject: |
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The shingles are good for 15 years only if kept in their original packaging, in a cool dry place.
Once installed, they're pretty much garbage.
It's a shame, really.
How does one go about making a claim on a shingles warranty? and thoughts? Might be helpful to others on here with the same problem. |
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HaltonPeelHomeInspection
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Location: Milton, Ontario
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:35 am Post subject: |
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Find out the make of your shingle (Rampart, IKO, Etc) and go to their website for warranty information. There's usually so many provisos regarding installation methods, attic ventillation, etc that the warrant is virtually useless.
Even with a successful claim, the payout is pro-rated.
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ACGUY
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Location: MILTON
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:30 pm Post subject: mattamy roof |
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| our house 3 years old already had to replace much of roof and flashing , Roofing company explained to me Mattamy uses the cheapest quality shingles and most people will not get 8-10 years out of their roofs, Mattamy quality is terrible througout, when you do any renos you will find how shotty homes are. Hoses are held together with brick and styro foam no wood behind brick huge drafts if you remove any drywall, hate when i see them win awars when they are building such low quality homes especially for the price we all pay. |
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CliffB
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Location: I live in Hawthorne Village and sleep in Mississauga!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I sold a house in phase one about a year ago and the home inspector found that the roof was shot and had to be re-done. VERY cheap roofing materials used by Mattamy and a not-so-great job installing them too.
Bit if a heartbreaker considering the home was only 7 years old.
Cliff
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2009Miltonite
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Any way around this if you've just purchase a home under a year old? I'm hiring a home inspector when we approach the one year mark in our new house.
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Halton Home Inspector
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Location: Milton
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| Quote: | 2009Miltonite Posted:
Any way around this if you've just purchase a home under a year old? I'm hiring a home inspector when we approach the one year mark in our new house. |
There is nothing you can do about Mattamy roofs, the materials they use, or their Roofers lack of common roofing knowledge.
Mattamy roofers wrap themselves tightly in the Ontario Building Code's lame minimum standards. They don't even follow basic guidelines and fundamentals which tells me that they lack basic understanding with regards to shingle installation.
In fact, the OBC rules with regards to roofs are so poor and vague that virtually all other roofing companies in the country follow other guidelines set out by the Canadian Roofing Contractors Assossiation.
Simple issues like exposed nail-heads are still common on 90% of Mattamy homes. Even when they are sealed, the job is done poorly. This reflects a bad attitude.
The OBC requires a "Starter Strip" at the eaves of roofs, yet often these strips are short, incomplete, or facing the wrong direction. At a home a week ago, the Starter Strips were short and incomplete at six locations. One area that was short, was clearly visible from the street and was in fact, the first problem I saw when I arrived at the house.
At gable edges, Mattamy Roofers usually don't install a Starter Strip at the edges. This small detail is required by the CRCA because it is recognised as a basic detail that should be on all roof edges. It improves the look, the strength, and water resistance to every roof edge. This detail would take 20 minutes of time and $20. in materials to do properly. I have no idea why Mattamy or any other builder would consider this acceptable.
The CRCA requires that the ridge shingles that overlap each other, overlap facing away from the prevailing winds. This prevents water from blowing under the shingles and soaking the structure at the peak of the house. This costs nothing to do properly yet Mattamy roofers seem oblivious to this basic fundamental of shingle installation. In southern Ontario, the prevailing winds come from the west. Any Roofer that does not know this should go home and look for another job.
The Tarion Construction Performance Guidelines and the CRCA require that shingles overhang all roof edges a minimum of 12mm / 1/2" yet Mattamy's management has forgotten this major detail and has built hundreds of homes with this serious defect. In this case, the problem is not the Roofers fault, it's the fascia installers fault for extending the outward bend at the top of the fascia too far. This "mistake" should have been caught by Mattamy supervisors early on but has been missed. Now, like I said, there are hundreds of homes out there with this major defect.
In the last year I have been watching this "shingle overhang issue" get worse and worse only to find out that Mattamy has been sending people over to my clients homes who convince owners that these issues are not legitimate concerns. When I found this out, I contacted Tarion and arranged a meeting with Tarion and upper level Mattamy management. At this meeting they agreed that this issue was important and that they would improve this problem. This however, does not fix the fact that many dozens of my clients were mislead and cheated from getting these legitimate repairs done. If, in the last year, I brought this "shingle overhang issue" to your attention during your inspection, only to be told by Mattamy that they would not fix this it, then please phone me. I will contact an individual at Mattamy who has assured me that these repairs would be done. In addition, I did contact the technical people at Tarion regarding this issue and they did agree the shingles must overhang the gable / fascia edge the minimum required 12mm / 1/2" but even they suggested 3/4" overhang was better.
Do your shingles properly overhang the edges of your gables ??
For those that don't know, a Gable is the upside-down V shaped roof. There are Gables on most roofs. Stand directly under the gable and look up. You should see the shingles overhanging the edge of the gable by at least 12mm or 1/2". Most roofers prefer a 3/4" overhang and consider that standard, so 1/2" should be the minimum amount to overhang this edge.
Andy Shaw - 905 876 4761
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2009Miltonite
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Once again Andy, you're awesome. I look forward to meeting you in the spring when you inspect my home.
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Gecko
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Location: HVE Reece Crt.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Halton Home Inspector wrote: | | The Tarion Construction Performance Guidelines and the CRCA require that shingles overhang all roof edges a minimum of 12mm / 1/2" yet Mattamy's management has forgotten this major detail and has built hundreds of homes with this serious defect. |
This was on my one-year list (back in July). Mattamy sent various guys over to look at it like it was a wonder of wonders. In September I was told the soffit guys would be called in. I'm still waiting 4 months after putting this on my one-year.
I guess they're waiting for January and the ice dams to fix it. It's always easier to do that work in January... |
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Halton Home Inspector
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| Quote: | Gecko Posted:
This was on my one-year list (back in July). Mattamy sent various guys over to look at it like it was a wonder of wonders. |
Hi Gecko,
All these Mattamy guys have to do is look at the hundreds of homes they built a couple years ago before this issue became a chronic problem.
Remember your timeline with regards to the number of days that Mattamy has to do the repairs. If the repairs are not done within a 120 day time frame then you must report this to Tarion within 30 days after the 120 day time frame. If you would like I could call my contact who has assured me that these repairs will be done. He was at one time a roofer and has acknowledged this problem.
All I am saying is, don't let them put you off indefinitely.
Andy
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Gecko
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Andy.
Short update - after I had repeatedly asked Mattamy to ensure they make appointments with me for all warranty work, a soffit guy showed up today unannounced and asked my wife what needs to be fixed. She, not being familiar with this of course couldn't tell him. So he'll have to make another trip some other day. Stuff like this wasn't so frustrating the first 6 or 7 times. Now it's just getting old.
My 120 day Tarion deadline is next week. I guess that explains why they're suddenly interested. |
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