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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:33 am 
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Foreveryoung wrote:
Gtota tell you, I am completely lost in the logic of your rant. Is there any way you can say the same thing in plain English?


Capitilism good. Socalism bad.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:36 am 
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The basis of my argument rests on the reality that if the company choose to save this 1,000 jobs, it would have been making those sorts of decisions in the past as well. So it wouldn't ever lay off anyone when it was turning a profit - because that would make baby Jesus cry. So it wouldn't just be 100M in lost profit - it would be billions, because you could never lay a person off, close a branch, or sell an asset that employed somebody.

"capitalism has afforded us some great things"??? Are you kidding me? It's afforded us everything. No country in the history of mankind has ever raised it's living standards above that of poverty and starvation without capitalism. None. Ever. Not even close. Many have tried.

Bank, and auto bailouts have more to do with democracy and spineless politicians then capitalism. Nothing about capitalism says you can't let banks fail. And you get a lot more shotty products that kill people in non-capitalist societies then you do with. Free markets make those things more unlikely to happen, not less, as customers tend to stop buying products that kill them. Unfettered is bad. Regulation and prosecution should be weeding out the bad apples. Sadly, in the US corruption and money seem to take priority these days. That's not because of capitalism.


So you still don't have a number. No amount of profit is EVER enough for you. That's all I can get from your diatribe.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:43 am 
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Norts999 wrote:
43 Canadian banks have been allowed to fail.
http://www.cdic.ca/WhereInsured/Failure ... fault.aspx


Sure, but if RBC or one of the other really big banks ever flopped, they would never let it fail. You and I would be forced to hand them as much money as necessary to keep them alive.

That’s the sort of stuff the left has a legitimate beef with. Big business gets all the resources it needs while the average joe goes broke and left with nothing. It’s bullshit. I understand why it happens, and I think letting them fail is the worst of two bad options, but perhaps it would be good if the government made a bailout really suck. Like, every CEO and senior manager tied to that failure be fired, and they be forced to repay every penny he earned to the bank, banned from working for any mega corp ever again, and the company broken into pieces when it recovers. I dunno, what the right answer is, but the way they do it now reeks of sh*t.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:49 am 
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JTP, so exactly what dollar amount of profit do you think is good enough to stop hiring, funding homes, financing small business, growing retirement funds, processing you payroll, operating ATM's, paying your bills or contributing millions into Income tax?
At what point did you stop accepting raises?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:02 am 
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JTP wrote:
So you still don't have a number. No amount of profit is EVER enough for you. That's all I can get from your diatribe.


No, any amount of profit is good.

Why can you only look at the total number? CIBC employs tens or hundreds of thousands of people in multiple countries. I don’t know the actual percentage is, but I would bet that their profit vs revenue ratio is about the same as a successful small or medium business. Just because they are huge and the total amounts are eye popping doesn’t mean they are proportionally any more profitable than a smaller business.

Really, the only difference between a corporation and a small/medium business is that in a corp they GIVE most of the profits away, where a small business just funnels it’s profits into the pockets of the owners. By the logic of a socialist, we should be whacking those small business owners as greedy monsters and embracing the charitable nature of big business. One funds the retirement plans of millions while the other funds the retirement plan of just a few. Isn't that the rallying call of socalism? The many over the few?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:48 pm 
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Norts999 wrote:
JTP, so exactly what dollar amount of profit do you think is good enough to stop hiring...

They think that $7billion would be the point to stop hiring...
Norts999 wrote:
At what point did you stop accepting raises?


I haven't crossed $1Billion in profits yet. ;)


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