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PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:13 pm 
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I moved this from the (rarely visited by many) "Upgrades / Design Centre" section of this forum so more people can see that this shameless immature lie continues by Mattamy and lot's of other builders. You do NOT automatically loose your furnace warranty in a new home if a competent HVAC company installs your AC and that the installation of the AC does not damage the furnace. This is a lie and someone needs to put a stop to it. I have heard it first hand from people who have told me that their new home furnace has stopped working and when they call the builder the first question the builder asks is "who installed your AC?" If the AC was installed by someone other than the builder then they abandon that customer.

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Mattamy is charging $ 3,450 for a 2-ton 14.5 SEER air conditioner. Besides the cost difference why one shouldn't consider it from the builder?

Mattamy also mentioned that if you purchase the AC from outside and get it done after, it voids the warranty for the furnace.


The price is about $1000.00 more than you need to spend and NO you do NOT have a voided furnace warranty if some other qualified company installs your AC for you provided that the installation of the AC does not damage the furnace.

It's about time that builders / Mattamy grow up, stop acting like children, LEARN THEIR BUSINESS, and stop lying to their customers.

I wrote this long ago. It was the truth then and it is the truth now........

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Many people assume or are told by unscrupulous builders that they lose their furnace warranty if you choose to have someone other than your builder install your A/C system.

But,, this is not the case.

Many builders promote or perpetuate this mis - information. So much so, that most everyone I know, including many Builders Reps, think that this voided warranty mis - information is in fact, accurate.

Today, while doing a new home warranty inspection, the home owner brought some information to my attention. Like many other new home buyers, he was also told that his warranty on the furnace would be voided if he bought his A/C system from someone else, so -

he sent this note to Tarion -

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I want to put in a central air conditioning system installed by someone other than the people who installed the furnace in my new home. The builder has indicated that if I have anyone other than them install the air conditioner, then the builders warranty on the furnace becomes void. Is this true?


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The only time that the furnace warranty would be voided is if the installation of the air conditioner caused the furnace to fail. Make sure that you hire a credible Heating & Air Conditioning contractor and inquire about their warranty on your furnace should the air conditioner installation cause it to fail.


The bottom line is this.

When installing an AC system in a new home, the furnace should be turned ON and checked prior to, and after, the installation of the AC system.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:14 am 
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You're hearing this because mattamy is having a lot of problems with the connections of the new smart thermostats and the AC units.


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JF13 wrote:
You're hearing this because mattamy is having a lot of problems with the connections of the new smart thermostats and the AC units.


I have been hearing this for long before smart thermostats were around. It's standard builder BS and I suspect some of the people who tell customers this actually don't know they are not telling the right information to customers. So regardless, either they are full out liars or incompetent, they are wrong.

I repeat, using some other licensed company to install the AC does not automatically void the furnace warranty.

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Does anyone reccomend FourSeasons they are apparently offering a group buy next week. It would be great if someone could tell me if I should get their AC after all the poor ratings from Mattamy's AC.


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Does anyone recommend Four Seasons they are apparently offering a group buy next week. It would be great if someone could tell me if I should get their AC after all the poor ratings from Mattamy's AC.


Four Seasons installs lots of AC's but IMO the group buy thing is a promotional gimmick. Nothing wrong with that, every company needs to promote but just don't think you are saving money. Lots of people on this forum recommend Nissan Air and he gets most of the great reviews. The owners name is Mason and he can be reached at 416 200-1971.

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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
antoine.net wrote:
Does anyone recommend Four Seasons they are apparently offering a group buy next week. It would be great if someone could tell me if I should get their AC after all the poor ratings from Mattamy's AC.


Four Seasons installs lots of AC's but IMO the group buy thing is a promotional gimmick. Nothing wrong with that, every company needs to promote but just don't think you are saving money. Lots of people on this forum recommend Nissan Air and he gets most of the great reviews. The owners name is Mason and he can be reached at 416 200-1971.

Thanks Halton Home Inspector , Nissan Air has been serving Milton since 2003 with many outstanding and still operational till today A/C installations and that's no surprise after the carful attention and details that went in the system from day one .Over the years we saw many a/c break downs due to poor workmanship and most of those were top brand names sadly speaking . Also Seen many HVAC firms come in ,do the job ,get paid and gone forever !!!!
Who wants to come home to a broken down air-conditioner after spending hard earned $$$$ on it on a very hot day?
We would like to thank all our customers in Milton for their Continues Business and Support and we will be there again this summer fixing and installing A/C s to keep you and your family nice and cool.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:20 am 
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Thanks, I'll probably go with Nissan Air, with all the possitive reviews. :)


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Craig from Four Season Comfort Cooling has posted "2015 Hawthorne Village AC Group Buy" for interested folks in the "Group Buy" section.

Both Nissan Air and Four Season Comfort has got a lot of good reviews in the forum and its your preference.

Thx.


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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
JF13 wrote:
You're hearing this because mattamy is having a lot of problems with the connections of the new smart thermostats and the AC units.


I have been hearing this for long before smart thermostats were around. It's standard builder BS and I suspect some of the people who tell customers this actually don't know they are not telling the right information to customers. So regardless, either they are full out liars or incompetent, they are wrong.

I repeat, using some other licensed company to install the AC does not automatically void the furnace warranty.


My builder told to watch out for the guy in the beat up pick up truck will to do and a/c for next to nothing. That if he royally screwed things there could be warranty issues. He said to do the research and just find a reputable company at the right price and I'll be fine.. And I was. I like to think he's not a liar. And my house is pretty good and still standing so I'm going to assume he's not incompetent. Not going to name the builder, I don't play that game


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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
I moved this from the (rarely visited by many) "Upgrades / Design Centre" section of this forum so more people can see that this shameless immature lie continues by Mattamy and lot's of other builders. You do NOT automatically loose your furnace warranty in a new home if a competent HVAC company installs your AC and that the installation of the AC does not damage the furnace. This is a lie and someone needs to put a stop to it. I have heard it first hand from people who have told me that their new home furnace has stopped working and when they call the builder the first question the builder asks is "who installed your AC?" If the AC was installed by someone other than the builder then they abandon that customer.

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WallyWorld wrote:
Mattamy is charging $ 3,450 for a 2-ton 14.5 SEER air conditioner. Besides the cost difference why one shouldn't consider it from the builder?

Mattamy also mentioned that if you purchase the AC from outside and get it done after, it voids the warranty for the furnace.


The price is about $1000.00 more than you need to spend and NO you do NOT have a voided furnace warranty if some other qualified company installs your AC for you provided that the installation of the AC does not damage the furnace.

It's about time that builders / Mattamy grow up, stop acting like children, LEARN THEIR BUSINESS, and stop lying to their customers.

I wrote this long ago. It was the truth then and it is the truth now........

Quote:
Many people assume or are told by unscrupulous builders that they lose their furnace warranty if you choose to have someone other than your builder install your A/C system.

But,, this is not the case.

Many builders promote or perpetuate this mis - information. So much so, that most everyone I know, including many Builders Reps, think that this voided warranty mis - information is in fact, accurate.

Today, while doing a new home warranty inspection, the home owner brought some information to my attention. Like many other new home buyers, he was also told that his warranty on the furnace would be voided if he bought his A/C system from someone else, so -

he sent this note to Tarion -

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I want to put in a central air conditioning system installed by someone other than the people who installed the furnace in my new home. The builder has indicated that if I have anyone other than them install the air conditioner, then the builders warranty on the furnace becomes void. Is this true?


Tarions response from a Technical Claims Representative -

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The only time that the furnace warranty would be voided is if the installation of the air conditioner caused the furnace to fail. Make sure that you hire a credible Heating & Air Conditioning contractor and inquire about their warranty on your furnace should the air conditioner installation cause it to fail.



Yes, this very true. The key here is to find a reputable company that stands behind its product and installation when selecting a contractor.
In terms of the furnace warranty we document that we will assume the builder furnace warranty on the AC invoice. Our experience has been if the furnace requires repair after we have installed a AC unit and the furnace is within the warranty period. The builder usually sends their contractor to repair it under warranty.

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Yes, this very true. The key here is to find a reputable company that stands behind its product and installation when selecting a contractor.
In terms of the furnace warranty we document that we will assume the builder furnace warranty on the AC invoice. Our experience has been if the furnace requires repair after we have installed a AC unit and the furnace is within the warranty period. The builder usually sends their contractor to repair it under warranty.


There's another "key" or two.

1 - for the builders to stop telling people that their furnace is not covered when it is covered.

and 2 - for AC installers to make every effort to ensure new furnaces are running as they should prior to installing an AC.

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Yes, it's unfortunate that builders try to use scare tactics to influence new home owners to purchase a builder grade AC for big bucks!

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