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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:20 am 
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This depression isnt as bad as the first one. What with the soup kitchen lineups and everyone in black and white.


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williamb wrote:
that should take us to a dow of 5000 as i have been saying for a while and basically wipe out the remaining 40-60% of everyones portfolio.


http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI

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Ol Skool wrote:
Not sure why you chose to randomly bring it up.


It's not random. It is discrediting the entire basis of this thread, which is usually just cut and pastes of random articles.
I agree a lot with what YOU say since we seem to think along similar lines (I said 'similar' hehe), but all these other stats, especially the number of Americans on foodstamps, they don't point to anything other than the growing disparity between the rich and poor, which has large issues of it's own, BUT completely different from what this particular thread is about, which is.. well, nothing correct yet. In fact, only things VERY wrong have been posted here, and I feel bad for anyone that may have taken the advice posted here, that's all.

The down plummeting to 5000 and people losing everything was the prediction. It couldn't have been more wrong, and to save face in between all these posts, he really just needs to say "Wow, I'm glad I was wrong about that one" and discuss why, to regain credibility of other and newer posts. Intelligent conversation that educates people is always more effective when the preacher admits when he may have been slightly incorrect, that's all.

NExt copy and pastes will be from here

http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/201 ... ng-better/


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Ol Skool wrote:
The point is NOT to listen to me or William or Fred or anyone but to educate yourself and form your own opinion and not tacitly accept anything from anyone. Also, meet the challenges that will lie ahead and meet it head on on prosper from that knowledge.


Well said!


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Captain cut and paste strikes again!


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I love this thread. And much like 90% of my university textbooks. The knowledge they bestowed upon me are great in a vacuum, but mean little in real life.

Old Schhol, what exactly does this mean in laymens terms for us in the next 12 months. Are we going to go hungry? Thirsty?

This is a great paper for extra marks in school, but we're all going to eat the same amount of pasta, ice cream, chocolate milk and burgers. When I flush the toilet, it does nothing at all to me, but that turd sure does go into a violent vortex. :wink:


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Captain cut and paste strikes again!


Uh huh...

The phrase "Well said!" have never been uttered on any commentary you've ever made. Don't hate what you don't understand.
this is where you are wrong. i have good understanding the market, ive been an investor for close to 15 years and own 3 properties besides my pricipal home, its far to easy for some yahoo to look at numbers and appoint himself the messiah of gloom, besides what you read, do you have any hands on experience with what you preach? have you vested interests in real estate? as investor or landlord? have you made money, lost money due to cycles? im guessing not. i can speak from experience past and current, you read, cut and paste, theory and practise are very different. go punch the clock at whatever you do and stop bullshitting the good people here!


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First of all Olskool props and respect to you.
I've said on here before you're a bright guy.
I agree with 90% of what you're saying.

Making forecasts with any degree of accuracy in respect to timeliness is pretty much impossible. Obviously sometimes one can lucky and get it right but like the old saying goes "The market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent"...classic words of wisdom. The smartest traders/money managers/economists/strategists etc. behind closed doors are quick to admit, they're predictions are a guess at best. Nobody has a crystal ball.

I can't understand how an obviously bright individual such as yourself has the time/interest to debate with people on here. You're posts are usually lengthy, detailed, well written. Some friendly advice man...direct that energy and brains into profiting for yourself. Do use your economics degree in your job? It seems like you come on here to get your eco fix. What is your actual investing, employment background?


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Ol Skool wrote:
f wrote:
Ol Skool wrote:
f wrote:
Captain cut and paste strikes again!


Uh huh...

The phrase "Well said!" have never been uttered on any commentary you've ever made. Don't hate what you don't understand.
this is where you are wrong. i have good understanding the market, ive been an investor for close to 15 years and own 3 properties besides my pricipal home, its far to easy for some yahoo to look at numbers and appoint himself the messiah of gloom, besides what you read, do you have any hands on experience with what you preach? have you vested interests in real estate? as investor or landlord? have you made money, lost money due to cycles? im guessing not. i can speak from experience past and current, you read, cut and paste, theory and practise are very different. go punch the clock at whatever you do and stop bullshitting the good people here!


So now you want to pull out your ruler and turn this into a pecker measuring contest?
i presume your answer is no. which speaks volumes. now we have bay street wannabe encouraging you. with a whole 9 posts!


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I have to agree with you here! It is easy for someone to make predictions that the world is coming to an end. That is what I like about America, they get kicked in the teeth, they get back into the ring and keep fighting.
It is so easy to BS people here makes no sense to me, I can write BS all day and burn energy. OL SKOOL put your energy into something that makes you "MONEY", shouting doom and Gloom you and this Billy Bob has no merit. I laugh when I mention to people the real money is not here, you will make it in the Good Ol USA. When people are fearful BUY all you can, When people are jumping in their seats run he other way.


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Keeping your fingers crossed for the housing market is just the tip of the iceberg. Prices have now fallen, on this index, more than they did during the Great Depression. "On that occasion, the peak in prices was not regained until 19 years after they first fell," notes Paul Dales at Capital Economics.


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Economic data over the past weeks, punctuated by last week's dismal employment reports, confirm the diminishing impact of the stimulus efforts orchestrated by the Obama Administration and the Federal Reserve. In what must be a huge disappointment to Keynesian enthusiasts, the record doses of both monetary and fiscal narcotics did not produce the desired results. In fact, the size and scope of the "recovery" of the past two years was weaker than would have been expected in a typical business cycle recovery without any stimulus whatsoever. Indeed our current recovery is the weakest on record, despite the biggest jolt of government stimulus ever administered. 

But despite the gathering gloom Austan Goolsbee, the Chairman of the President's Council of Economic Advisors, argued over the weekend that the economy is on the right track and that the recent salvo of horrific economic reports were not significant. The poor numbers, he said, resulted from external factors like the Japanese earthquake and the downgrade of European sovereign debt. I don't know if he really expects anyone to buy his story, but admitting you have a problem is the first step toward recovery.
 
In a sign that Mr. Goolsbee may have been getting increasingly uncomfortable with his job of economic propagandist, he abruptly resigned this week. He will be returning to academia where I'm sure he is hoping to avoid blame for the coming economic train wreck. 
 
Although I have made these comparisons before, the parallel between drug addiction and the reliance on economic stimulus is just too strong to ignore. And as with drug addition, an economy builds up a tolerance. Each time the government successively stimulates with printed money or deficit spending, ever larger doses are needed to achieve the same result. Lest we forget, coming into the Crash of 2008, the economy had been on the receiving end of years of over stimulus. President Bush and Alan Greenspan never fully weaned the economy of their shock treatments that followed the dot.com crash and the shock of September 11th. 
 
This time around, the stimulus-fueled recovery is so mild that the economy is already relapsing into recession before the Fed has even begun to tighten. This puts Bernanke in a very difficult position. He either follows through on his loudly trumpeted plans to end quantitative easing this summer, or abandon those plans in favor of more stimulus. Both choices are unappealing. 
 
Given the current economic weakness will any additional deterioration, that will surely result from a withdrawal of stimulus, be politically viable? Real estate prices are already at new lows and unemployment refuses to diminish even with the punch bowl fully spiked. What would happen if it contained only cranberry juice?
 
To avoid these short-term consequences, the Fed can instead admit that the recovery cannot survive unaided. Bernanke would have to reverse his previously optimistic outlook, and launch QE3 even as QE2 barely pulls into port.  But why would anyone believe that the "growth" that results from QE3 will be any more durable and robust than what resulted from QE1 and QE2?  Economists like the stimulus-loving Paul Krugman will surely argue that that the stimulus has been too small (like $5,000 in annual deficit spending per American is a trifling sum). But to believe that the next dose will do the trick borders on sheer insanity. When QE3 comes and goes (which I'm sure it will) the Fed will face the same choice that it faces today, yet with even greater consequences. It's a self-perpetuating cycle that ends in disaster.  
 
Just like a Hollywood movie, each QE sequel gets progressively more ridiculous (my apologies to Johnny Depp). The government needs to admit its mistakes and write a completely different script. This time the story line must allow for a real restructuring. Real estate prices must fall further, and many financial institutions holding bad mortgages must fail. This means investors, creditors, and depositors will lose money. Labor and capital must be re-allocated away from services into goods production. That means jobs must be lost in government, retail sales, finance, health care, and education; and jobs must be created in technology, manufacturing, textiles, mining, energy, and agriculture. This guarantees major short-term pain. But breaking an addiction is not easy. Those who say it is are living in a fool's paradise.   
 
This transition does not require any positive action from government. All it needs to do is simply get out of the way. That does not mean there is nothing the government can do to help the process. It can remove as many regulations and taxes as possible that inhibit market forces from working their magic. But this requires a completely different mindset among our elected officials. They will need the courage and knowledge to level with the American people, and do what is in our nation's economic interests, not simply what is in their own political interest.
 
Foreign governments too must get out of the way and let market forces work. Their support for the U.S. dollar must end. If they do, U.S. consumer prices and interest rates will rise, as they must. If the Fed tries to combat the effects of a falling dollar with more QE the dollar will fall even further and consumer prices will rise even higher. The cycle will either end with the Fed as the only buyer of all U.S. dollar denominated debt (wiping out the value of the dollar) or a Fed engineered rate hike that brings the cycle to an end. Both scenarios are catastrophic, but the latter at least offers the possibility of redemption.
 
The same experts who did not see the 2008 financial crisis coming also fail to see the world in these stark terms. And while it gives me no pleasure to forecast the demise of the U.S. economy, I hope that at least the reputations of these "experts" will sink with it


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:41 pm 
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I think I am going to buy a cow. It gives off gas and I can heat my house with it!
Yeah move down south I hear I can BUY a Cheap house in Florida!

And also beaches are nicer and weather is warmer. HMMMMM what the hell am I doing here!

Maybe even go to a nice island Sounds good!

OH the Great Depression!! Do you know the only Great Depression is between your Ears.

Good luck to your Depression. Sounds Good going for a nice cold BEER!


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bRightbrain. Hope you caught the recent episode of 60 minutes.

The depression is just in the early innings my boy
Like your brain in the early stages of development.
Adios


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