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Matt - does the water softener effect water pressure in the house?

Matt - I'll be contacting you - Let's do a water test.

I will try to answer a few of the questions.

Re: "Does the softener reduce pressure?" Anything and everything you do to water will affect flow rates and pressure, 90 degree angles, pipe, softener, filters, taps, valves etc....simply anything, called friction loss. What you want to be concerned about is it going to affect the water flow to a point it is unsatisfactory....No. You will need a flow of 3 GPM, most homes are 5-15 GPM. The softener has a quartz underbedding for better flow rates. As mentioned if there is an unsatisfactory flow I offer a 30 day complete refund...You are not "stuck" with the unit.

As for the other post saying lake water does not need a softener, water plant = sterile etc.... There have recently been some major failings of the public water system Walkerton for example 7 dead, 2500 sick, (year 2000)...E.Coli in water distribution system. Saying this, we enjoy a level of water sanitation that few nations enjoy. It has been a revolution to add chlorine and kill most living organisms.(started in the 1800's) We need to be conscious of the systems limitations, season to season, day to day different water conditions are possible. Typically UV is used on well sources where there is no such viral, bacterial protection.

Softener is a personal/energy issue. I do not use one in my house (municipal) however a family business does use one. The busines uses large amount of hot water and soaps. Research has indicated 30% energy saving on heated water as the minerals do not clog and insulate the heating coils in your water tank. Plus the new tankless units are manufacturer specified to have a softener for the unit to be protected from scale build up. They are sensitive appliances. There is also a real soap savings. A fraction of soap is needed to achieve a true lather. Both of these reasons are real driving factors for the decision for a water softener.

I would discourage people painting water filtration with one brush. One approach for someone may not be the right approach for another. Water filtration is a scientific art. I boils down to what you want out of it and how pure and clean you want your water source. I offer solutions for different approaches.


Thanks for your time. Hope this helps.

Sorry for bringing Facts, Accreditation, practical field experience, and a Knowledge base to this forum...I see I am out of place.

-Matt

The sky must be falling. Really? 10K? Really? Nobody is still that stupid, are they? I'm 45 and grew up on tap water in Toronto and continue to drink tap water now that I live in Milton. Haven't developed any extra digits...yet. Smarten up. If you can't do it for yourself, do it for your kid(s). Really? 10K? Really?

I used to work for the very Public Works (Halton) department that you are consuming your water from. Now I am on the private side of the fence. It is a wonderful source of water, I am not saying it is going to harm you. Please understand my market is vast. I am not trying to make fear a driving factor in buying...and I am guessing you are not or will not be a customer. It is impractical to expect that water that is pumped out of the ground treated and then pumped to your home through many Km's and varying condition of watermain arrives at your door in pristine condition. Have you ever been advised to "Boil your Water?" I would ask you why you think this is? My market includes people who take responsibility for all aspects of their lives...eat organic foods, health conscious, etc. I think we can all agree with rates of disease rising rapidly we need to rethink how we do things. (food, air, water) We change out furnace filters and would not drive our cars without a fuel filter. If you have ever enjoy filtration you will understand. It extends further than drinking, bathing, food, coffee, wear on appliances etc. I am not trying to convert anyone...do as you choose. I service those who know that their water CAN be better. I am here for those customers.

Water works are responsible and mandated to monitor and check for 100 or so known contaminates. Something like 84,000 have been found in water sources around the globe. Pharmaceuticals are not high on the "to be tested for" list.

If you are not that customer then please do not try to discredit me or water filtration for anyone else who will benefit. As for that woman who was a true victim of wildly aggressive sales including fear about children and such, I have a young son...fear is always a factor. I am a professional in this field and I have purchased product for testing that did not meet my high expectations. Everyone can make mistakes.

No softeners ARE NOT filters.
UV or ultrafiltration (RO) for E.Coli (which is a very rare occurrence in chlorinated water)

We can waste time gabbing about this all day. I prefer actual literature, would a publication from Health Canada of the dangers of water Chlorination and its byproducts find a way to be shot down on this site? I encourage people to learn facts. Please read about "THM" found in 100% of chlorinated water sources, a known carcinogen. Please be advised...there are facts and research in this literature.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hl-vs/iyh-vsv/en ... or-eng.php


I am here for people who need my services.
Thank you.
Matt
Allay Water.
matt@allaywater.com
1.888.268.6501

Matt don't be discouraged by a select few on this site - It's full of folks who seems to think they know all about all conversations... and a few sh*t disturbers sprinkled in for good measure.

I just love how Deep feels the need to protect and coddle Matt as if Matt is some fragile child. If Matt needs his sensitivites stroked after a few comments on here, then I'm guessing sales isn't the right profession for him.

i dont see any scare tatics being used here...if you read the rest of his comments, saying that:

"I used to work for the very Public Works (Halton) department that you are consuming your water from. Now I am on the private side of the fence. It is a wonderful source of water, I am not saying it is going to harm you....My market includes people who take responsibility for all aspects of their lives...eat organic foods, health conscious, etc. I think we can all agree with rates of disease rising rapidly we need to rethink how we do things. (food, air, water)...I am not trying to convert anyone...do as you choose. I service those who know that their water CAN be better. I am here for those customers.

i dont think bringing up something horrible that has happened in the past is using scare tatics...just showing more that things can happen...not that it 100% will, or we should all run out and prepare for the end of the world...just to be aware, and that there are options out there for people who are interested, or want to do more research on a product.

i dont know much of the details of Walkerton, but how is dead people, and many more sick people a good thing?

again, dont know the full details of Walkerton, just asking...

Not scare tactics but perhaps guilt tactics? If you're not a part of his market group does that make you irresponsible? Unhealthy? Subsequently does this irresponsible, unhealthy behaviour negatively impact those dependant upon you for their well being? Matt seems like a low pressure salesguy but he is still a salesguy applying pressure...just way more subtle about it. I'm not saying he's a bad guy scamming people. He has a product that he believes improves quality of life and is making it available to interested parties. But as someone else said, this is not a necessity but a luxury item.

(Also, if we remove every aspect of germ, bacteria and virus from the controlled environment of our home, what happens when we go outside to an environment that we can't control and our bodies just never had the exposure necessary to build immunity to certain things. Lets not purify ourselves out of existence here.)

Im not really into getting into a huge debate here...i guess if people are interested in the product thats great, if not, they wont call...

Because instead of intelligent debate with a newcomer, there is snarky comments and humour you'd only get if you knew the people for a decent length of time...

You Miltonians are a passionate bunch!

-Must be the water...

-Matt

Like...ummm....sit through a 3 hour sales pitch for a $10 gift card? Sign up for a $10,000.00 commitment without doing any research or consultation? Sheesh lady, we all do idiotic crap from time to time. You'd have fared better if you'd laughed at yourself instead of trying to pretend to be a great humanitarian. You warned us. Ok. But probably only because you're ticked off at the company. Chill a little.