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First of all I am profoundly Deaf and I use American Sign Language as my primary mode of communication.

From reading the posts, we do not have all the facts and we need to look at the procedures done by the Police as the critical issue here.

I am interested in how the Police handled him in terms of notifying him of his immediate arrest. If were calling his name out and so on without any visual reference such as sign language or without any gesturing to tell him to stop, then they approach this wrong. If they told him by speaking to him, first of all 80% of speech reading (lip reading) is difficult to understand Many words look the same while there is no sound. Such an example is "I Love you" and "Elephant Shoes" Say that to your spouse without voice and most will think it's I Love You!

The Deaf individual needs to see the Police gesture or sign to him that he is being arrested or simply comply to what being asked. Pointing down to ground and so on to do this. If the individual does not comply, then the Police can take him by force.

Also handcuffing the person in the front is critical to allow the person some limited communication. A few situations in the past I have heard about are the one where a student at Gallaudet University (www.gallaudet.edu) was arguing with his professor only to have the campus police come and arrest him and handcuffed him behind the back and he was thrown to the ground. He was wrestling for his life as they were holding him down on a 3-step staircase only to result in his death because he could not speak because he was choking on the stair around his neck. The university was sued and it's my understanding a settlement was reached.

Another example is a Virginia State Trooper pulled over a Deaf man and the man was in a domestic fight with his wife and he was angry. He got out of the car and went to reach into his jacket for a pen and paper only to be shot and killed by the trooper.

For the Halton Regional Police Services, I have nothing but the highest regards for them. I have provided training to many Police officers in Halton in a previous position and they have shown the initiatives to work with Deaf individuals as Halton Region has many living here. However all Police forces have "bad apples".

Now I fully understand that in stories like these the word fact is relative. But based on the so called "eye witness" account, I'm not sure those are the facts we've been presented.

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I don't think they meant it in a sexist way. Subsitute little drunk deaf guy with big drunk Anderson Silva. 2 male cops would probably have a tough time getting him down, but 4 would likely do the trick.

a body was also found in the alley beside the Ivy Arms, similar to the others that have been strewn about the town recently. Fact.

My bad, I agree they are not facts... as the stories goes by another drunk in the bar

Really! That's sick! I need to start hanging out at the Ivy Arms, I am missing out on all the action. Fact is the guy they found ate some of jaguar's plant, he was suppose to smoke it.

Yeah, you're right. Its like 2 male cops trying to take down Ronda Rousey. Same thing I guess.

sure, whatever floats your boat!

just putting this out there. say you are the police officer who needs to detain him. you know he's drunk and aggressive or rowdy. are you going to politely tap him on the shoulder and walk him out of there expecting he will not do anything at all? no, you will put him down and cuff him so he is not able to move and cause harm to anyone. you do not know how violent the person can be. he can be a nice, kind guy with no intention to hurt anyone, or he can be the type that will snap and start throwing fists as soon as someone challenges him.

Ive never met a drunk guy who took a swing at a female bar patron that went nicely when he got arrested. Not saying its not possible, just like on some planet out there's probably pink unicorns.

According to some, because the guy is deaf, he should have been cuddled and given a warm fuzzy blanket.

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Some people are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

That's what I need right now, I'm sick

No, you need this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnU2mFUBFLk

Oh oh...man cold...

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Some people are like slinkies. They're really good for nothing but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

I think take downs like that are pretty standard operating procedure with drunks.
Kinda sets the tone for the rest of the night, as in, we don't think your funny or tough so shaddap and obey if you wanna go home at sunrise. Drunks tend to blabber endlessly unless they are made to feel unwelcome.
I thought it was funny they took my shoe laces in the tank, as if I'm gonna hang myself in a cell over a bouncer who didn't like the way I dance.

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No, no. You know who was right all along? The Mongolians. They knew that you just can't wall yourself off from the outside world. Putting walls up never helps anything. Tearing them down brings us together.
-Randy-South Park

Ok so guy gets drunk and assaults a female employee at a bar
He then for some bizarre reason thinks he should be allowed to leave???
Police knock him down and this is brutality?

At worst he deserved it for his earlier assault

Whether he is deaf or not he was going to get taken down that should be obvious to even the densest people on this board