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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:33 am 
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Princess Beata wrote:
prowdowner will have the taxman knocking soon. you're not allowed to just flip a home. the whole must live in it for 2 years is a myth. if you bought it and sold it soon after (even up to 5 years) expect a knock on the door and have the money ready.


Only if the tax people run an audit on your return. And then they only audit, what, 10% of the returns.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 2:18 pm 
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MiltonChop wrote:
These days, I just don't see how you can make much money on house flipping (new or old/renos) with all the taxes and fees if you do it all legit. :)


Believe it or not, people make money and they do it in a legit way. Maybe the Walter White reference got you subliminally thinking illegal!

Do your research on this forum, get the listed price of phase 1 and 2 for some homes search "mattamy oakville" for example. Then ask a friendly realtor to tell you what those models sold for 1.5 years after the initial release. Deduct all you want from the sometimes 6 figure increase.

then ask yourself, is the glass half empty or half empty? :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:16 pm 
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proudowner wrote:
That will be the look on my face after my 12th successful new house flip this fall.

The 4 year old deline thread is this way -> http://www.hawthornevillager.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29572

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Son of a bitch.
You're cooking meth in the houses you're flipping. :D

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lxor wrote:

Son of a bitch.
You're cooking meth in the houses you're flipping. :D


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:40 pm 
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Flipping like buying new and selling later?

We did it several times just for growing family and relocation reasons and ... nothing in terms of money. Still, same big mortgage, because of skyrocketing prices.
It is kind of "trade secret" some people aware of. Some are saying it is as simple as staying at least two years.

All I know, with builders like Mattamy it isn't fun. You need to pay constant attention to construction site, because of constantly declining level of craftsmanship and quality of materials.
We spoke with our close friend who has several new build properties here and new bad thing is too many leaking basements. He has to deal with it in almost every new home he purchased.
We spoke with ex-owner who was running framing company contracted by large builders. He has to deal with mismanagement and greediness from builders and lot of framing work was compromised due to this and not because his side wasn't capable. In opposite, the guy is framing artist in terms of how he does it and how result looks.

You have to deal with dirty, dusty, no trees, no fences streets. Lot of things to ask and keep on asking to fix during first year.
No fun at all, with moving and trying to settle in new home for short period of time...

We have to do it several times and every one of us at home just hate it.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 5:46 pm 
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http://www.mattamyhomes.com/GTA/Communi ... -Preserve/

I guess some new lots have been released. Price increase since last release range from 10k to 40k


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:18 pm 
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Just $10k- $20k


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:28 pm 
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The Daisy before was 884,990. Now it's 924,990. Thats where I got the 40k. Increase.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:04 pm 
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Half a million for a village home :shock:

(after upgrades, architect choice options, closing costs, nicer elevation, etc)


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:34 am 
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I&J wrote:
The gov't is actually in a catch 22 situation. Interest rates should be rising but you can imagine what damage it would inflict on the economy in general. Mortgages on housing, car loans, HELOCS and other interest sensitive consumer transactions would be negatively affected. Our economy is not strong enough to sustain such increased costs that could not be absorbed by wage increases such as was the of 10% or more wage gains that was seen in the '70s or '80s. So the traditional use of increasing interest rates to slow down a raging housing market is no longer an option unless one wants to further slow down an economy that has not recovered from the abyss of 2008. So low interest rates could be around forever and housing prices would keep rising. There is a difference in marketing techniques between the US and Canada which is probably another reason why house pricing is kept low. In the US many house builders build on spec ie unsold inventory. So in an economic downturn, it is the builder who absorbs the loss of market value. In Canada, ever since the housing bubble in the '80s, builders only build homes once they are sold, so the market is not affected as much by unsold builder inventories.


The government is powerless against the next real estate crash. Well, almost powerless. But pretty powerless. Interest rates are controlled by the global economy, not any one country. Currency values, credit ratings, world politics etc. all control interest rates. If Canada looks like a safe haven to put debt, interest rates are low (lots of demand of investment), but if Canada doesn't look like a safe haven (look at Ontario and their credit downgrade and defect), interest rates go up (as people want more return on their investments to counter the risk). Basically, if the world investors dictate our interest rates go up, they go up.

Now, the government fiddles and muddles by doing things like bond swaps and overnight lending rate adjustments to try to counter this. That is what the US has been doing for QE for years now.. but they are borrowing from the future to fix today. Regardless, Canada maneuvered through the last financial crisis easily because they manipulated the ability for home owners to keep/buy houses by raising the amortization limits, reducing down payment requirements, and reducing the overnight lending rate to 1%. The net effect is (in a supply/demand scenario), supply remained the same but demand went through the roof as all of a sudden a higher percentage of Canadians could qualify and afford a home. The end goal was to use these measures to float the market until the world rebounded and they could slowly crank back the tools (dropping amortization, raising minimum payments, raising interest rates). They started with amortization to cool the market. Next may be the down payment requirements for CMHC. Interest rates can really only go up. The government no longer has that tool as an asset.

So what I am saying is, if we experience another crash, there isn't much the government can do this time, we already have all the tools deployed. Maybe bring back 30/35/40 year amortizations which would buy a little but of time but we are very quickly approaching the peak of affordability. Once that hits, there is no way further but down. Be it in a year or or ten years, prices are not going to climb much more. We are nearing the top of the rollercoaster. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick.

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Demand is out weighing supply, at least for now.

2 weeks ago, Mattamy saw the turn out (over 200 names), by next morning they had added 15-20k to the original price list. This week, another 10-20k. It gets more interesting, they are calling the shots and have removed the usual 5 day cooling period to get legal and financial review, see below. Not even sure if that is legal, but there you go.

I counted about 60 people, much less than two weeks ago and not as rowdy. Most were looking for the bigger homes, I overhead a young couple looking at the requirements express how they can't come up with the $60k downpayment and left. A dozen more people will fill their spot. When it get's to a point nobody will fill the spot for the folks that can't afford the homes, mattamy might have an inventory problem.


Toronto is still cheaper real estate wise than a lot of global cities with similar infrastructure and economic balance. Will home prices go down, maybe. I don't have a crystal ball, but then you need to know what you are in for. If you are looking for a home to live, then buy one if you can afford it. If you are looking for an investment property, be sure you understand the game or you may get burnt!


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:09 pm 
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proudowner wrote:
Demand is out weighing supply, at least for now.

2 weeks ago, Mattamy saw the turn out (over 200 names), by next morning they had added 15-20k to the original price list. This week, another 10-20k. It gets more interesting, they are calling the shots and have removed the usual 5 day cooling period to get legal and financial review, see below. Not even sure if that is legal, but there you go.

I counted about 60 people, much less than two weeks ago and not as rowdy. Most were looking for the bigger homes, I overhead a young couple looking at the requirements express how they can't come up with the $60k downpayment and left. A dozen more people will fill their spot. When it get's to a point nobody will fill the spot for the folks that can't afford the homes, mattamy might have an inventory problem.


Toronto is still cheaper real estate wise than a lot of global cities with similar infrastructure and economic balance. Will home prices go down, maybe. I don't have a crystal ball, but then you need to know what you are in for. If you are looking for a home to live, then buy one if you can afford it. If you are looking for an investment property, be sure you understand the game or you may get burnt!


Oakville is still the prestige address that people buying homes are looking for so if they can arrange financing at all with today's low interest rates, it will be done. Mattamy will not have an inventory problem since they only build homes as they are sold. If the buyers default on their purchase that's another scenario.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:40 am 
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Phase 2 -- Mattamy Homes

http://www.mattamyhomes.com/GTA/Communi ... -Preserve/

Phase 1 -- July 23/2014

666K for 1988sqft - Single Car - 34 Lot

2 1/2 months later same model now is 699K (Phase 2)

33K increase since last Phase -- Unreal (I don't get it)

Remmington also now released Phase 2

http://www.remingtonhomes.com/oakville/ ... ppointment


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People making a family income of 150k should not have a million dollar home. Just because the bank says yes, doesn't mean you should. With 150k of income, I wouldn't go much over 500k.


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glocklover wrote:
People making a family income of 150k should not have a million dollar home. Just because the bank says yes, doesn't mean you should. With 150k of income, I wouldn't go much over 500k.

Just because you wouldn't go over $500k, doesn't mean others shouldn't do it :)
Some people buy them with the intention of never paying them off. They just keep them for a few years and then buy the house they "should" buy, in cash. Some buy them as life insurance policies. If someone has young children and they have mortgage life insurance, their kids are left with $1m if their parents unexpectedly kick the bucket.


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