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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:08 pm 
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Yup , bylaw is coming. I stopped reading Pepe le pew troll posts a long time ago. Glad the moderator woke up and deleted his “ black looters matter “ post. What an a hole. He should crawl back into his hole. Thank you moderator. Done us all a favour and block Pepe le pew FOREVER.


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:38 am 
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^ I do not think the moderator, Greenjp, deleted it. Rick Di Lorenzo did. We know this because he made a rare post saying that.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:40 am 
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I still don't understand why the town voted against the mask and on the same hand said that region would pass the mask bylaw.

Makes no sense to me. Wondering if they didn't want to looks like the bad guys forcing it on people? Passing the buck?

Sure wish i can call one of the members that voted against and ask their reasoning for voting against it


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:37 pm 
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Halton Region votes - masks mandatory in 7 days.

https://www.miltonnow.ca/2020/07/15/covid-19-halton-region-makes-masks-mandatory-inside-public-spaces/

People who refuse to wear masks can shop where stores offer curbside pickup. That's much better than wandering around stores like a festering pariah or abusing store employees with rants.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:04 pm 
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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
Halton Region votes - masks mandatory in 7 days.

https://www.miltonnow.ca/2020/07/15/covid-19-halton-region-makes-masks-mandatory-inside-public-spaces/

People who refuse to wear masks can shop where stores offer curbside pickup. That's much better than wandering around stores like a festering pariah or abusing store employees with rants.


Read the bylaw - there is no proof of exemption required. So they can still go in. And that is probably a good thing - there are many people who cannot wear masks and should not wear masks. They should not be punished because you are irrationally terrified out of your mind.

Have you ever asked yourself how it is possible that people have been walking around without masks the last several months in Halton yet we've seen the cases going down to almost nothing?

Rounding up, we have a total of 900 covid cases (confirmed and presumed) in Halton. Do the math, that is 1 in 555 people test positive, better put, 554 people out of 555 have not been positive. If we look at deaths, it is 1 in 22000. For reference, you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying from heart disease, 1 in 7 of cancer, 1 in 86 from suicide, 1 in 98 from opioid overdose, even the odds of dying from sunstroke is almost 3x higher at 1 in 7700.

Regain some perspective of risk in your life - you'll quickly see that the steak you're buying for dinner likely poses more risk to your life than the person you are chastising for not wearing a mask.


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:06 am 
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Pretty toothless really
You should wear a mask unless you can't
And if you cant no proof of exemption is required lol

Expect to see lots of "breathing problems" and "claustrophobics" come out of the woodwork in protest


And from a more serious standpoint it is beyond silly the exemptions (eg a room full of high school students + teacher are not required to wear masks, and if you sit inside a bar / restaurant you are not required to wear a mask)
I'd argue both of those (and other) exemptions are far more dangerous than people socially distancing at a supermarket

But I know vast majority of people left on this board have no minds of their own

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2020 10:11 am 
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Mr.Peppermint wrote:

Expect to see lots of "breathing problems" and "claustrophobics" come out of the woodwork in protest


I guess you mean fake breathing problems.

Yes, those self aggrandizing people will be easily identified as people with narcissistic personality disorder. Their inflated sense of their own importance and need for excessive attention will be on full display. Shame that their careless lack of empathy for others also creates a risk for others who will need to avoid them. Of course that is their goal. Overall, a weird situation.

The rest of us, you know, the mask wearing saps, just want this to end and are willing to participate to achieve that goal. Why, because wearing masks is a duty done for the sake of others and most people are considerate.

Ironic really, is that the people who refuse to wear masks are in fact prolonging the requirement to wear masks. I guess this gives these narcissists more time to bask in the glow of their own ignorance.

BUT - According to Dan Riskin - the science guy on Newstalk 1010 - a new study now shows that people who refuse to wear a mask or comply with social distancing have lower mental cognitive ability. So,,,,, we need to be patient and explain things to them slowly and clearly because their working memory capacity is less. Of course this memory also determines a persons intelligence and decision-making abilities but that's another story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8519169/Real-covidiots-People-refuse-wear-mask-lower-cognitive-ability-new-study-shows.html

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:20 pm 
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miltonstrong wrote:
Halton Home Inspector wrote:
Halton Region votes - masks mandatory in 7 days.

People who refuse to wear masks can shop where stores offer curbside pickup. That's much better than wandering around stores like a festering pariah or abusing store employees with rants.


Read the bylaw - there is no proof of exemption required. So they can still go in. And that is probably a good thing - there are many people who cannot wear masks and should not wear masks. They should not be punished because you are irrationally terrified out of your mind.

Have you ever asked yourself how it is possible that people have been walking around without masks the last several months in Halton yet we've seen the cases going down to almost nothing?

Rounding up, we have a total of 900 covid cases (confirmed and presumed) in Halton. Do the math, that is 1 in 555 people test positive, better put, 554 people out of 555 have not been positive. If we look at deaths, it is 1 in 22000. For reference, you have a 1 in 6 chance of dying from heart disease, 1 in 7 of cancer, 1 in 86 from suicide, 1 in 98 from opioid overdose, even the odds of dying from sunstroke is almost 3x higher at 1 in 7700.

Regain some perspective of risk in your life - you'll quickly see that the steak you're buying for dinner likely poses more risk to your life than the person you are chastising for not wearing a mask.


Couldn't have said it better myself, cheers!


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:20 am 
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Of course people with legitimate reasons for not wearing masks should not be required to wear masks and those are all addressed in the by-law posted below.

https://www.halton.ca/For-Residents/Immunizations-Preventable-Disease/Diseases-Infections/New-Coronavirus/Reopening-Halton-Region#0.5

But, the anti-mask people would still be required to wear a mask under the by-law unless they choose to crawl under this exemption - "Persons who may experience a negative impact to their emotional well-being or mental health."

Full list of exemptions.

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The following individuals are exempt from the by-law, and are not required to provide proof of their exemption:

- persons with an underlying medical condition where wearing a mask or face covering would inhibit their ability to breathe in any way;
- persons who may experience a negative impact to their emotional well-being or mental health;
- persons who have a developmental disability which inhibits their ability to wear a mask or face covering;
- persons who have a disability whereby the wearing of a mask or face covering would limit their ability to reasonably communicate with others or present a hardship for a person(s) assisting the individual;
- persons who are unable to place or remove a non-medical mask or face covering without assistance; and
- employees and agents of the person responsible for the public place who are separated from customers and co-workers in an area designated for them and not for public access, or within or behind a physical barrier.

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:18 am 
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Guys, this new bylaw is a joke and has no real teeth whatsoever. You've given people an opening to not wear a mask so then why not just educate and not bother with spending hours debating on a bylaw that has no enforcement value. To be clear I am in favour of a bylaw but not an unenforceable one.

I was at the Nippissing Dollarama yesterday afternoon and there were tons of people of all ages including a group of teenagers not wearing masks.

Halton is in for a spike of cases if people and politicians don't take things seriously.


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:31 pm 
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Halton Home Inspector wrote:
Mr.Peppermint wrote:

Expect to see lots of "breathing problems" and "claustrophobics" come out of the woodwork in protest


I guess you mean fake breathing problems.

Fake problems for a placebo mask bylaw

Actually Oakville posted that about 85% of people are adhering to the bylaw so far so the rule breakers are in the minority (for now)
Milton has no numbers (not surprised)


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BUT - According to Dan Riskin - the science guy on Newstalk 1010 - a new study now shows that people who refuse to wear a mask or comply with social distancing have lower mental cognitive ability. So,,,,, we need to be patient and explain things to them slowly and clearly because their working memory capacity is less. Of course this memory also determines a persons intelligence and decision-making abilities but that's another story.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8519169/Real-covidiots-People-refuse-wear-mask-lower-cognitive-ability-new-study-shows.html

lmao
Aren't you the one with the reading disability again?
You actually refer (through a 3rd party tabloid source) to a study that disproves your attempted association
Ah you are always good for entertainment value

Here is the actual link (assuming you can decode it) where the researchers are rolling their eyes in virtual disgust at dumb people misquoting and taking their research out of context (the research btw was done in MARCH 2020 and therefore really also has nothing to do with mask bylaws)
https://memory.ucr.edu/clarification-on ... istancing/

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 9:01 am 
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Whatever makes you happy Peppermint :)

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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:27 am 
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I wouldn't fret too much about some people not wearing masks. I see the law as a nice placebo. People hate feeling helpless so focussing on something like wearing masks in public gives them a sense of control even if the science isn't really there. It's a lot like putting life vests in a commercial airliner...it makes people feel good to know they are there but they're of almost no practical use.

Politicians especially love a law like this because it's popular, it costs them almost nothing and they get to be seen as being active and involved.

What I don't understand is that I can't go and do something essential like buy groceries without finding and purchasing a mask but I can spend hours sitting in a restaurant or a bar without a mask? It starts to raise issues of privilege as well as efficacy.

I'll be curious to see a few years from now, after we've had chance to study things, what kinds of impact non-medical mask wearing has on transmission. Questions I'd ask if I was researching would include; Do masks increase face touching? Do they give a false sense of security (so people take risks they wouldn't without a mask)? How much viral transmission do they reduce (if any)? I remember we spent lots of money scrambling to buy those expensive temperature sensors during the SARS outbreak and we learned later that they were useless for determining infections. Will masks be the same?

At the end of the day though, wearing a mask does no harm and if it makes some people around you feel better, just put one on. It's not that big a deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Milton Mask By-law
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:20 pm 
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Forget restaurants GB try explaining the bar scene to me
Majority of them have nowhere near enough space and tons of images / videos to prove it (see the chair girl was posting vids of the large party?)

Alcohol, weed, etc have been (by far) some of the worst abusers of the law but politicians turn a blind eye since in this economy they need to make all the money they can

Yet a playground is "unsafe" and stays closed until phase 3


Some of the placebos are gone now (eg the Walmart employees carefully wiping down every shopping cart) as it was really nothing more than busy work


The mask placebo is deadly as majority of people think it armours them against virus (and can stand shoulder to shoulder) and thats not even getting into the fact most wear masks improperly or (worse) adjust it to touch their nose/eyes/mouths etc

And you have to laugh out loud at people wearing masks in their cars as they drive along. Paranoia has no bounds.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:12 am 
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What I hate about masks - is parking and then walking halfway to the store and realising that I forgot my dang mask :x

Here are some creative options - some in jest and for some, very serious. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwrmEEV2yKE

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