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PostPosted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:08 am 
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rino wrote:
I just posted the article from Dawn - Pakistani newspaper. How did I become racist for doing that?

We get people from different parts of world living in Canada, and I am proud to say I am Canadian. The post title didn't allow me to put more verbiage in it, which is why I couldn't add more text in there ... I know Zee is Canadian, but Pakistani descent.

People here call themselves African American ... isn't that racist then?

I posted the article to state that I had the same feeling about other candidates that were running in the last elections where people show up from no where, and try to compete for the Councillor posts - not knowing Canadian system, etc. How can one vote for them? Just because they have similar ethnic backgrounds? Is that enough to vote for someone? I don't think so ...

You guys just turned the post into a racial war! LOL


Totally agree.. You should be allowed to refer to ethnicity no? Can't a Canadian have multiple ethnicity through descent? i.e. German, Russian, Scandinavian, Persian, Turkish etc?


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I think you are where you're born. Just my opinion. My folks are from India, I'm born in Quebec. I'm proud to call myself a French Canadian.


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prickly_pete wrote:
Sandeep wrote:
I think you are where you're born. Just my opinion. My folks are from India, I'm born in Quebec. I'm proud to call myself a French Canadian.


Id go with Indian if I were you.



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prickly_pete wrote:
Sandeep wrote:
I think you are where you're born. Just my opinion. My folks are from India, I'm born in Quebec. I'm proud to call myself a French Canadian.


Id go with Indian if I were you.



Hell yea... I was born in Quecrap as well - No way I'm calling myself a French Canadian!


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Someone had a a bad experience in La Belle Province! Just scored me some tickets to the Habs Leaves in February at the Bell Centre. Poutine here I come!


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prickly_pete wrote:
newermiltonian wrote:
rino wrote:
I just posted the article from Dawn - Pakistani newspaper. How did I become racist for doing that?

We get people from different parts of world living in Canada, and I am proud to say I am Canadian. The post title didn't allow me to put more verbiage in it, which is why I couldn't add more text in there ... I know Zee is Canadian, but Pakistani descent.

People here call themselves African American ... isn't that racist then?

I posted the article to state that I had the same feeling about other candidates that were running in the last elections where people show up from no where, and try to compete for the Councillor posts - not knowing Canadian system, etc. How can one vote for them? Just because they have similar ethnic backgrounds? Is that enough to vote for someone? I don't think so ...

You guys just turned the post into a racial war! LOL


Totally agree.. You should be allowed to refer to ethnicity no? Can't a Canadian have multiple ethnicity through descent? i.e. German, Russian, Scandinavian, Persian, Turkish etc?


Not saying you're racist, but that's exactly what a racist would say.


Canada has always promoted the Canadian Mosaic.. This promotes inclusiveness without losing your heritage. Not sure what you mean by your comment.. Everyone in Canada has a ethnic origin and immigrated here. (Except Native Canadians)


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:50 pm 
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There point is that a lot of the New Pakistani candidates don't have the cultural, linguistic, or historical understanding of Canadian society. Unlike many of the Indian, especially Punjabi candidates who really do get it.


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There point is that a lot of the New Pakistani candidates don't have the cultural, linguistic, or historical understanding of Canadian society. Unlike many of the Indian, especially Punjabi candidates who really do get it.

I wouldn't say they are totally clueless about our society, many now come from educated gentrified strata of their home societies, and do have a grasp and certainly some kind of opinion.

The author's general point was (arguably) that first-gen sub-communities can generate candidates that act as they would back over there, and try to set up petty feifdoms within their sub-communities. They try to fly the idea that our domestic culture is either somehow not good for them, or not good ENOUGH for them, and they need to vote accordingly. It's almost like they view themselves as pioneers here, and they are working to create their own little culture bubble within Canadian society. That has certainly already happened to a large degree I think.

What this author describes is the ongoing struggle and squabbling amongs their community, as they try to come to terms with their current and future role within our society. Have a look at Brampton, for a much larger working example of this. Brampton is of course known as "Browntown", but take a look at their city council after this election. Only two people of South Asian decent (FGIs presumably); one city councillor, and one trustee. That does not reflect the population numbers, does it? Also interesting to observe: the one council win was the electorate churning one Sikh dude for another in the Ward most densely populated by South Asian voters. I wonder if that "Townhouse debacle" was the cause?
Int. Trest. Ting.

Edit: To self-correct, in reading further, it was not the "Townhouse" thing that killed Vicky Dhillon. Seems it was his apparent / perceived support of that crook Fennel, and he got sucked under when she sank. Still: Int. Trest. Ting.

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How many people from Estonian background were elected? None, you say? Well, there you have it, cultural background and/or population base is useless. Only what you do and what you stand for should be taken into account. And I am not Estonian.


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Foreveryoung wrote:
Only what you do and what you stand for should be taken into account.


Should be but not always the case
Some people vote based solely on race (either for or against someone) or some other foolish reason which has no bearing on the candidates ability

Problem with a democracy is everyone gets an equal say


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Another chapter in this story....

" Mohsin Abbas, who spent a year at The Spectator under a program to give foreign-trained journalists Canadian experience, alleges he and his family were threatened after an opinion piece called "How Pakistani candidates embarrass us in Canadian polls" was published Nov. 5 by Dawn, a Pakistani news organization. "
http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/ ... candidate/


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:43 pm 
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That article is scary.


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http://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/5025580-halton-journalist-alleges-threats-by-mississauga-mayoral-candidate/

Wow. That is an extremely upsetting story. Hoping Mohsin Abbas is getting support and protection for himself and his family and hoping that the threats are investigated as thoroughly as possible.

Things like this affect all journalists and hurts democracy when people become afraid to let their voice be heard under threats of violence. It's just upsetting on so many levels :cry:


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