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Looks like the Ancient Egyptians figured it out... why can't we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvehA2IBgm4

Tesla was on the same track as well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9oUq_S9IfM

I love YouTube!

These types of installations have been going on in much larger scale in northern ontario for a last few years http://www.windenergy.uwaterloo.ca/proj_offgrid.php. They use a system with wind and hydrogen storage to replace or supplement existing diesel generation.

Shows how out of touch you are, to think Milton is "ultra Conservative". In fact, that's the dumbest thing I have read in a month.

You obviously are clueless about "ultra Conservatism" or you would know that there is almost none of that in Canada.

Come on Burrcold, surly you could add something intelligent to the conversation.

Tesla invented alternating current.


or, for a different kind of history lesson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gOR91oentQ


Tesla was the electric Jesus!

I'm weak minded remember? Thanks, but I'd rather not spend any time arguing a topic with someone who has so much hatred towards liberals. You will just try and beat up everything I would have to say...just because I'm a leftist pig, right?

Oh and ultra conservative was used in a loose sense. I know what it is to be around true ultra conservatives, I used to live in a military town in North Carolina.

Now this is making even less sense.

If you know the true meaning of "ultra conservative" from your time in NC, then it is even stranger that you would suggest Milton is an "ultra conservative" community.

Not playing your stupid ass games. Done.

Just because they aren't contributing much to the grid, dosen't mean it isn't costing a fortune. Go find some figures on how much the program is costing in dollars and tell me if you still think it's not contributing to skyrocketing rates.

From the Globe and Mail:
Energy Minister Chris Bentley says green energy accounts for only about five per cent of the increase in electricity bills.

He says the largest part of the hikes, which are expected to total 46 per cent over five years, are to pay for much needed upgrades to the province’s electrical grid.

Now some people I know will automatically discount that statement because it's a Liberal minister. But I don't doubt it. Upgrading an aging transmission and distribution system is not cheap!

Fixing the mess at Pickering certainly wasn't cheap. Putting in a third tunnel for increasing capacity at Sir Adam Beck was to the tune of 1.6B. Refurb of Bruce Nuclear units 1 and 2 was a bit over 5B, plus new transmission capacity from Bruce was added.

What's with all the statistics-toting apologists? Bottom line, this is a huge amount of money being flushed down the toilet, no matter how it's couched in percentage-of-a-total statistics.


That's one two-hundredth of a ginormous number.


*Only* five per cent? Five percent of the cumulative cost of every single home and business's electrical bill in a year is.... well, I don't know what it is but for sure it is A FRICKING LOT OF MONEY.


I don't discount it because it's from a Liberal minister. Well, okay, yes I do. But that's not the only reason.

Mainly I discount it because it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. He's playing sleight of hand, trying to get us to take our eye off the ball. So the grid needs to be upgraded ... okay, fine. Why does that make it okay for them to cause 5% energy hikes (aka a fricking lot of money) for their pet projects? Answer: it shouldn't. And we shouldn't let them get away with changing the subject.

Can you define skyrocketing? The new peak rate effective May 1 2012 is 11.7 cents/kWh. The May 1st 2006 peak rate was 10.5 cents/kWh. From 2006 to 2008 commodity prices dropped then have increased slightly every six months since then. As for program costs I'm not aware of what the OPA's expenses are to administer these programs but for larger FIT installations the admin costs are passed onto the customer. At the utility level all costs are passed onto the customer (ie meter, transformer, pole lines, engineering costs, etc). So the only contributing rate increase factor I can see is the difference in commodity price and as I wrote before this is basically noise in the big picture.